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ARIES83 -> RE: A huge hypocrisy factor within gender argument (8/2/2013 4:47:04 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Extravagasm
Nick cannot be excused for asking very provocative questions with the clarity of a poster stoned on weed.
Yet his intent is present and all the responders are evading it. I cannot excuse posters (or most of society) for not being able to instantly come up with a list of womens rights, that men lack. Because we live with them daily. To me, this alone demonstrates Nick's point.
I haven't time to debate these complex issues, but as I say, it is a crime that people don't walk around at least fully aware of them. I will use US examples for this post.
1) Women exempt from military draft registration. No this is not moot, simply b/c US is not presently drafting solders. All boys still must register. US has not abolished the prerogative to draft whenever necessary. It's also a libertarian issue, in disguise, for those who wish to be kept out of the government grid.
I don't get involved in P&R type stuff, which this is pretty close to, but as for the arguments around whether or not women should be able to serve in frontline roles... I believe there are valid points in there... Whatever the case I don't feel compelled to really care about it one way or another...
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2) Women who commit sex crimes (especially against children) do not end up living under bridges and trash dumps after serving their sentences (if any sentence). You can trace backward the discrimination differences and reasons.
I would be interested to see how well you can substantiate that statement...
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3) The decision whether to abort a potential child of a marriage has enormous financial consequences for males, yet they have no equivalent decision making legal power in the "family choice" at that point.
Responsibility & Accountability... Enforceable child support is a necessary evil as long as there are guys out there who will cum up anything without regard and as long as there are women naive or stupid enough to not exercise some discretion in regards to what goes up them... Or at least to take birth birth control into their own hands.
As a responsible and mature minded person, I exercise self control and/or use protection(getting blowjobs) to ensure that the desision of whether or not I have a baby with someone is completely up to me... I mean what kind of weak minded excuse for a man gets a woman pregnate and then complains about having to look after the baby... Don't blow up in there!!! How fucking hard is that... I have been pulling out since I first started bonking... Because if I ever did have a baby there is no fucking way in hell I'd turn my back on it.
I do think it is a womans body, and you really can't force a woman to have a baby... Or to abort her baby against her will... So the whole idea of equality in this area is ridiculous...
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4) When everything else is equal, primary child custody goes to the female. Men do not have equal rights here, no matter how you squirm or deny.
Yer, custody disputes are heavily in favour of the mother, I don't entirely agree with that state of affairs but there are valid arguments supporting it... I really think the escence of justice is judging everything on a case by case basis.
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5) A husband is legally held financially responsible for children incurred during his former marriage, including those provable not fathered by him. Converse not true for women. This is one of those situations where men lose rights by marrying, b/c non-married men never involuntarily acquire financial liability for children they provably did not father.
I'm not too knowledgeable on US marrige laws... This one sounds pretty complicated, I'd be interested in finding out some of the reasoning behind it.
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6) Flaunting of public nudity by women is generally brushed over, where for men it is considered a serious offense. In some jurisdictions, considered a registered sex crime for males.
I'm pretty sure most places are relatively even handed in regards to public indecency... I mean... I'm pretty sure a lot of the people complaining about women running around naked, would be women...
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7) The rape of adult women in prison, war, or external society, is today considered a problem of considerable outrage and efforts to ameliorate. Prison, homosexual, and war rape of adult males is considered more of a joking matter . . . with almost no movements to ameliorate.
Also I have yet to hear of a woman being arrested for taking advantage of a completely drunk man and having any type of sexual contact with him. Which happens often enough.
well... I'm assuming most jails over in the US are single sex... What exactly are the statistics for lesbian rapes in prisons over there?
I think your comparing apples and oranges.
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8) There are several hate crime statues based on animus against women. None based on animus against men. Even though clearly men are the population minority and the existence of many man-hating criminals is historically documented.
In fact it can be argued that our society considers males expendable, especially in emergencies and calamities.
Expendable? Are you reffering to the "women and children first" type of scenario? That would be an interesting discussion! I'm not really sure what I'd say about that... I'd like to think I'd help the women and children in an emergency.
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9) The criminal justice system, from beginning to end, treats female defendants with kid gloves, even female child killers and psychopathic killers. The only exception being when they are sadly ugly.
Now me thinks you are begining to make your facts up...
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10) Not even going to go into the insurance, medical research and treatment unbalance against males.
I think it's already been said... But insurance costs are based around statistics.
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11) The list goes on and on until can't type anymore. Suffice it to say when Phyllis Schlafly almost single-handedly defeated the US Equal Rights Ammendment, her main tactic was to sponsor modifications, insuring the retention of female specific rights. These inconvenient modification attempts served to focus on the embarrassing truth THAT FEMALES HAVE SIGNIFICANT RIGHTS WHICH MALES LACK.
I think it goes both ways, some things slant towards women and some towards men, a lot of times you can't have equality because of the fact that the female experience is fundimentally different in many areas to the male experience.
I think western society does have runaway checks and balances, but having said that, I don't live in western society... I work there, my family goes shopping there, my sisters go to school there... Checks and balances are there to protect them... As far as me, I live in my home, there aren't many checks and balances... It is desidedly unbalanced and it's my own responsibility, maturity, personal accountablity and objectivity that keeps me in check.
I would suppose that there are a fair few people on here that could relate to creating your own laws, being the king of your castle...
(Well I don't have the castle yet... But working on it.)
Yes there are some problems with the way society deals with gender, but it hasn't really effected me, I'd be interested to hear from people on here about how they have been effected personally by gender inequity.
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LittleWonder:
Take your time Aries. He's back which means he'll make a lot of posts saying the same thing over and over again.
I assume you mean the OP? I just ignored most of that...
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