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chatterbox24 -> RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting (8/6/2013 10:40:27 AM)
http://www.aetv.com/hoarders/ quote: ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman Our particular problem child collects old furniture and has numerous deep puddles on his property. Furniture and bedding provides nesting areas for rats, and standing water only adds to the problem. His next door neighbor's been cited for dumping gas in his puddles, but the mosquito problem is past becoming an issue here. The county hasn't been able to respond, and the village board is too busy playing touch pee-pee with two of the bigger developers here to bother. ON Friday nights I sometimes watch that show Hoarders, where situations have got so bad, the people are going to be booted out of their homes, and a team of experts come in to help them. Not only with clean up efforts, but mental health professionals during and after care even. A lot of these people for whatever reason are hurting and developed this condition due to trauma, and after recieivng the kindness, even though they are pains in the butt during clean up, are so thankful. The situation just got so bad they could not deal with their own overwhelming problem.

igor2003 -> RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting (8/6/2013 11:01:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy 440, yup-- 99% of the time it IS a neighbor who complains. Very few cities actively look for people to harass- at least in my area. The last town I lived in kind of falls into the category of looking for people to harass. I'll admit, my yard wasn't the best looking yard in the neighborhood, but the retired lady that I shared a property line with always kept her yard immaculate. One day we both got notices from the city about "weeds", threatening fines, etc. etc. if the problem wasn't solved by a certain date. So I made sure that my "weeds" were in compliance with their rules. Then I got a second notice. So I called the city and asked them what was going on. The guy I talked to said he would come out and look at my situation. He came by and said he could see nothing wrong. I told him about my neighbor having also received a notice and that her yard always looked great, and I asked him why that was. He finally admitted that they were simply sending notices to everybody in the area in hopes of getting things cleaned up.

MasterCaneman -> RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting (8/6/2013 4:29:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 http://www.aetv.com/hoarders/ quote: ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman Our particular problem child collects old furniture and has numerous deep puddles on his property. Furniture and bedding provides nesting areas for rats, and standing water only adds to the problem. His next door neighbor's been cited for dumping gas in his puddles, but the mosquito problem is past becoming an issue here. The county hasn't been able to respond, and the village board is too busy playing touch pee-pee with two of the bigger developers here to bother. ON Friday nights I sometimes watch that show Hoarders, where situations have got so bad, the people are going to be booted out of their homes, and a team of experts come in to help them. Not only with clean up efforts, but mental health professionals during and after care even. A lot of these people for whatever reason are hurting and developed this condition due to trauma, and after recieivng the kindness, even though they are pains in the butt during clean up, are so thankful. The situation just got so bad they could not deal with their own overwhelming problem. I understand all that, but that show can only go to X number of hoarders, and to be honest, they're in it only so far as it makes them money from advertisers. This guy doesn't precisely fit into the true hoarder archetype, from what I've seen. He's more of the "let's see how far I can push things" kind of hoarders. While I've never been in his house, others I know have, and it isn't wall-to-wall shit in there. It's mainly his barn and yard that's the issue, and there's another twist that makes this harder. He's technically a Vietnam-Era vet, but just barely. Every vehicle he owns has Vietnam this, Vietnam that, patriotic stickers, the whole nine yards, and he tends to wear memorial gear (hats and shirts) wherever he goes. My one neighbor, who did a tour there, decided to check up on his backstory, and it turns out he never set foot in SE Asia. He was in the Air National Guard from 70-73 and stationed 25 miles up the road from here. Even when he told the board, they didn't want to hear it, and continue to let him go on, lest they be seen as unpatriotic for coming down on a vet. Basically, he makes his living as a scrap and junk collector, and he sits on stuff until the prices are "right". The furniture and other decomposables are just a sideline for him. When he feels like it, he busts them up for firewood, but not until they've sat in his yard for a year or two. I doubt he has any "trauma" in his past, he's simply found a way to get by doing his own thing. Unfortunately, that means we get to deal with rats, roaches, and mosquitoes for four blocks around his place, his next-door neighbors can't use their yards, and no one in the local, county, or state government has the balls to step in.

Termyn8or -> RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting (8/6/2013 4:40:22 PM)
It doesn't matter. Unless his house is emitting a harmful odor or bugs or something they have no fucking right to fuck with him. In his position, I would have taken more care in aiming. Don't you even have a conception of what freedom is anymore ? The difference is I would have taken the pigs out at home when they tried to put me out. Come on bitches. T^T

jlf1961 -> RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting (8/6/2013 4:44:46 PM)
Never watched the Hoarders shows, I have watched "American Pickers" on a number of occasions, and some of the places they go to could be considered eye sores in most communities. Considering the people I know in small towns in PA, I am surprised a group of people did not volunteer to help the guy out. I have here on a number of occasions, even in town. Of course, the property owner has to agree to the cleanup.

pahunkboy -> RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting (8/6/2013 4:49:21 PM)
quote: Considering the people I know in small towns in PA, I am surprised a group of people did not volunteer to help the guy out. I have here on a number of occasions, even in town I can picture that happening. I have seen the hoarder show. Term- the one post/reply is about his neighbor- not the guy who did the shooting- but a guy whose yard is a dump.

pahunkboy -> RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting (8/6/2013 7:29:43 PM)
names were released- here is a comment Don't blame the township. That's a scumbag thing to do! The man was told for years to clean up his eyesore of a property and he didn't. It is nobody's fault but his own! He is a grown man and should have handled it differently! Like · 6 · 4 minutes ago/snip

Termyn8or -> RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting (8/6/2013 8:38:27 PM)
"The man was told for years to clean up his eyesore of a property and he didn't. It is nobody's fault but his own!" Bullmotherfuckingshit. You live in nice looking neighborhoods at YOUR OWN FUCKING EXPENSE, and when you move there you know they are anal about shit. You want to live in a perfect neighborhood, PAY FOR IT, don't try to make a poor neighborhood spend their kid's tuition money on white picket fences. You want my grass mowed, mow it. You want my house painted, paint it. This is not fucking Beverly Hills. If you want that, MOVE THERE. Telling me what the fuck to do with MY PEROPERTY can be hazardous to your health. My neighbors do not do that, they will come to me with issues which we resolve, together, but they know better than to sic the big city dog on me, it would be suicide. We get along really well. When they have a problem with me they call ME. That is how it should be. T^T

pahunkboy -> RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting (8/7/2013 4:21:29 AM)
Term- same deal here- my neighbors come to me if there is an issue. and vice versa.

MasterCaneman -> RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting (8/7/2013 8:23:23 AM)
What if you asked your neighbor to clean up his yard, take care of the puddles, and the nesting rats in his barn and he ignored you? Now add this to the equation: what if you're someone who bought a house across the street from what had once been a small farm, but was at the time little more than a house, a barn, and a large yard (the original owners sold off plots as they needed after they retired). Everything's hunky-dory until first one, then the other owner ages and passes away and their no-good con man grifter son assumes control of the property and changes it from an overgrown garden to a backwoods junkyard-within two years? What if whenever you knock on his door to ask him to do something about it, he chases you off with a baseball bat? Right now, I'm looking at the back of that house and wondering what the homeowner is thinking while he's writing another thousand-dollar mortgage check, plus all the other expenses, taxes, utilities, etc. for a house where his kids can't safely play in the yard because of the rats, skeeters, and bad smells coming from their "neighbor"? It only affects me peripherally because I'm one street over, but it's only getting worse here. Last night, I sat on the porch again and shot two rats making their way down my driveway. Last week, I shot three of them. Some nights, you can't even sit outside because of the mosquitoes, and it all centers on that asshole's property, which neither the village, nor the town, county, or state seems to want to do anything about. I'm just a renter, in time I'll leave here when my mom's stuff is all take care of. But most of my neighbors own their homes, and they're getting angry. Very angry. And they're getting to the point they might not cotton to being disregarded by the village or that asshole and his baseball bat anymore. I've been privy to some informal conversations regarding this guy, and I won't repeat here what was said, because it wasn't pretty. He may have rights, but so do they, and when someone feels they're getting a raw deal, they start thinking about raw reactions.

pahunkboy -> RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting (8/7/2013 5:40:12 PM)
http://wnep.com/2013/08/07/father-of-accused-gunman-speaks/ the father warned the Shefiff his son was going to snap.

DomKen -> RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting (8/7/2013 5:50:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman What if you asked your neighbor to clean up his yard, take care of the puddles, and the nesting rats in his barn and he ignored you? Now add this to the equation: what if you're someone who bought a house across the street from what had once been a small farm, but was at the time little more than a house, a barn, and a large yard (the original owners sold off plots as they needed after they retired). Everything's hunky-dory until first one, then the other owner ages and passes away and their no-good con man grifter son assumes control of the property and changes it from an overgrown garden to a backwoods junkyard-within two years? What if whenever you knock on his door to ask him to do something about it, he chases you off with a baseball bat? Right now, I'm looking at the back of that house and wondering what the homeowner is thinking while he's writing another thousand-dollar mortgage check, plus all the other expenses, taxes, utilities, etc. for a house where his kids can't safely play in the yard because of the rats, skeeters, and bad smells coming from their "neighbor"? It only affects me peripherally because I'm one street over, but it's only getting worse here. Last night, I sat on the porch again and shot two rats making their way down my driveway. Last week, I shot three of them. Some nights, you can't even sit outside because of the mosquitoes, and it all centers on that asshole's property, which neither the village, nor the town, county, or state seems to want to do anything about. I'm just a renter, in time I'll leave here when my mom's stuff is all take care of. But most of my neighbors own their homes, and they're getting angry. Very angry. And they're getting to the point they might not cotton to being disregarded by the village or that asshole and his baseball bat anymore. I've been privy to some informal conversations regarding this guy, and I won't repeat here what was said, because it wasn't pretty. He may have rights, but so do they, and when someone feels they're getting a raw deal, they start thinking about raw reactions. I'd give the county health department a call. Skeeters and rats are a definite health issue.

pahunkboy -> RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting (8/7/2013 5:55:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy 440, yup-- 99% of the time it IS a neighbor who complains. Very few cities actively look for people to harass- at least in my area. The last town I lived in kind of falls into the category of looking for people to harass. I'll admit, my yard wasn't the best looking yard in the neighborhood, but the retired lady that I shared a property line with always kept her yard immaculate. One day we both got notices from the city about "weeds", threatening fines, etc. etc. if the problem wasn't solved by a certain date. So I made sure that my "weeds" were in compliance with their rules. Then I got a second notice. So I called the city and asked them what was going on. The guy I talked to said he would come out and look at my situation. He came by and said he could see nothing wrong. I told him about my neighbor having also received a notice and that her yard always looked great, and I asked him why that was. He finally admitted that they were simply sending notices to everybody in the area in hopes of getting things cleaned up. Actually you are right. I think they did this here a few times- but it was in the newspaper- not mailed to people.

Termyn8or -> RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting (8/7/2013 7:16:32 PM)
quote: His next door neighbor's been cited for dumping gas in his puddles, Why ? That's a fairly effective method. So is oil. Unless you all use well water, it is better to not have the mosquitos. Down at my house I don't even want to be outside because of the MFs but it is about ten degrees cooler there because of the lay of the land. People who want everything perfect should move to neighborhods where the houses cost a half a mil. Fuck the rest. T^T

MasterCaneman -> RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting (8/7/2013 8:56:58 PM)
It was easier to cite him than go through the motions of doing something next door. We live in a watershed, so DEC steps in whenever there's a fuel/chemical dump. They did cite the problem child, but he doesn't do anything about it because he knows they're so backlogged and apathetic. He'll pay the fine and keep on keeping on. As long as the check clears, they don't care.

graceadieu -> RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting (8/7/2013 10:11:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or And yes tj, you need permits for damnear anything now. You would be surprised, even in places that are not historical districts or anything like that with covenents on the deed you might need a permit to paint. In time, when you learn alot more about the US you will no doubt be happy to go back home and be a bit freer. Designated historical homes/buildings are different and yes, right down to the paint color & type of paint in some cities.. but most people go into that knowing that a property has that designation and the restrictions the property has.. In some cities you get a tax break or whatever for historical buildings.. but I have never run into a property listed for sale that was one.. People that tend to buy those types of homes want to be historically accurate with paint, repairs, renovations cuz thats their passion.. When I was a kid, we lived in a historic home like that. My parents bought it when it was in awful shape, like the city would've tore it down if they hadn't bought it, and fixed it up. Because it was a historic home, the city (historical society, I think) helped pay for the restoration - but there were a lot of strings attached about what they could do to the house (paint color, etc), to maintain the historical accuracy of the house. That's the trade-off, and you know that going in, whether it's a historic house when you buy it or if you apply to be on the historic register.

Real0ne -> RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting (8/7/2013 10:25:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy an 18-year fight between the township and Newell over his property. that is a long time to fight.. sounds like it originally started when he built a storage shed which he illegally started living in.. that is why most cities wont allow you to do anything on a property unless you already first have a properly permitted house on the property.. if the township had those restrictions in place then perhaps this wouldnt have started in the first place.. although "collector" types do tend to collect a lot of what most people would call "junk".. woah thar you mean this guy owned a shed and for who cares what reason decided to live in it and the city mafia came in and told him he could not live in his own building on his own property? Like WTF is that all about?

Termyn8or -> RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting (8/8/2013 12:48:21 AM)
Well Real, these uppity yuppities come from city slicking places and think they are going to build ivory towers on tobacco road and the city is all for it because of the tax money. Then everyone needs a fucking golf course in the front yard and have fancy trim and paint on their houses so the yuppies can look out their windows and not be reminded of us scumbags who make them all that fucking money. And most of them people don't care that it was swampland in the beginning anyway, they want suburbia in hicktown no matter what it costs - others. That clear it up forya ? T^T

pahunkboy -> RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting (8/8/2013 5:38:40 AM)
quote: People who want everything perfect should move to neighborhods where the houses cost a half a mil. My brother lives in one of those places. When I was there the barking dog should shut up. Somehow trashy people STILL get into those places.

Hillwilliam -> RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting (8/8/2013 9:57:32 AM)
Some of you people actually need to read a deed instead of blustering [sm=hissyfit.gif] "THE GODDAD GUVMINT CANT COME ONTO MY GODDAM PROPITY ER I'LL FUCKIN CHOOT EM" [sm=tantrum.gif] These words or something similar are on every deed out there including yours. "This conveyance is expressly made subject to reservations, restrictions, covenants, easements and conditions contained in former instruments of record pertaining thereto and all easements and encroachments.........................." that means that "Yes, the 'goddam guvmint' CAN come onto your property and you are bound by the laws and zoning regulations of your municipality" Learn before you bluster.

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