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Termyn8or -> RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting (8/8/2013 10:24:46 PM)
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I've sold real estate for 18 years. Your qualifications outside cut and paste art and tinfoil hat making are?
Actually no you didn't. You have never bought or sold any property. Unless you have done some very unusual things you have never bought, owned or sold a motor vehicle either, and now, even a boat.
This may be hard for some to understand, but when the government issues a deed or title to something, you are buying, holding or selling that deed or title, not the property itself.
In the case of real estate, regardless of any ownership issues, covenents can be stricken down, it's been done. As many people put such restrictions on deeds to property a long time ago, usually that it could never be sold to Blacks, those were universally declared invalid. If that can be declared invalid, so can any covenent.
You car title is only a contract with the issuing state that you are the legal holder in due course and recognized as such by the state, which is actually the lawful owner of the vehicle. The actual proof of ownership of a vehicle is called a manufacturer's statement of origin, or MSO for short. You need to buy the car new for cash and insist on the MSO. As long as you do not cede the MSO to that state, they will not issue you license plates, even though TECHNICALLY you do not need them. Technically of course, just try driving around and it is not worth the hassle. Up until about a decade ago as far as I know only one state would issue you license plates with an MSO and that was I think Tennessee. They stopped from what I've heard more recently.
At one time in the past, car titles were optional. They were recommmended as a type of insurance, or assurance in case something happened. Not everyone got them, and you can still find some very old cars that have never had a title and were sold simply by bill of sale. You can understand why the title gained popularity and many sought them voluntarily back then. In those days you could get plates with either an MSO or a bill of sale, which in most places didn't even have to be notarized. It was a different world then.
The title for a vehicle is the legal justification for having to pay sales tax AGAIN when you buy it used. (or in a few staees every year on the bluebook value) The same principle applies to a property deed and indeed those property taxes are legally rent.
This does not affect the eminent domain issues though, as those are Constitutional and even if you did hold allodial title to the land, eminent domain could be used. It is supposed to be used for needful purposes for society, not for strip malls or (in the case of Lakewood, Ohio years ago for one) to achieve more taxpayers per square mile. Private business using eminent domain is a severe miscarriage of justice in this country, but only one of many.
Note that all this property and these vehicles owned by the various governments is technically used as collateral for debt securement, though China et alii are not going to foreclose on your three bedroom western style bungalo when the US defaults on its debts. It doesn't quite work that way.
The fact of the matter is entwined into the legislation in this country is language that really boils down to the fact that you own nothing. Absolutely nothing. You can hold things, but it takes extraordinary meassures to actually own anything and quite frankly, they are so fucked up about it that it just isn't worth the trouble.
So enjoy your holdings and don't piss of the lords so that they will let you keep holding it.
Let's put it this way, if you owned anything, forfeiture laws would mean nothing. Property taxes would be unenforceablle. It would be easier to get away with stealing a car but there wouldn't be as many roads to drive on so, I dunno.
The fact is, it no longer pays to care.
T^T
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