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WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME - 6/29/2006 8:31:12 AM   
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Some food for thought...  As I read profiles on CM and other matchmaker services, I find a common thread..  It is the ALL ABOUT ME theme- and the HERE IS WHAT I WANT theme. This is understandable, because we all want something, and we all have core needs, and we seek out people who can meet our needs.  However, it seems to me that we judge people by what they have- not who they are.  And when we try to determine who they are- we must find the proper term to classify them.     Case in point:  There is an older woman with a much younger man.  He is successful and good looking.  She is older and nice, but has nothing else going for her (that one can see)  My thought is:  what is he doing with HER?  Or I may see a very successful businesswoman who is lovely, gracious, and married to a fat slob who does not work.  I think.. she can do better than THAT!   But is this the best way to judge others?  It is true that we must project an image to the world and I believe that it is in my own best interest to look my best and dress well.  I know that I am being judged by what I drive, where I live, what I do, who I am with and how I look- by everyone I come into contact with on a daily basis.  And so, unfortunately, I find myself looking at people- not for themselves- but for "what can they do for me"- which is human nature.  We all depend on one another and seek out people who have what we like, or need.  We look for jobs that can give us the pay we need, while employers look for a worker whose talents they can exploit.  It seems to me that all anything amounts to (within society) is the monetary, or beauty value, even if the money is borrowed and the beauty is fake. But what about the value of the things that are sweet, small, innocent and fragile?  What about the hearts in the bodies of those beautiful people, or for that matter, the ugly people?  What about the suffering and faithful kindness of those who have nothing other than themselves?  How do these people find someone who knows the value of what they have?  And why am I so blind that all I can see is the car, the house, the clothes and the pretty wrapping?   We have managed to devide the human species into nano-segments. (this is my own term)  Where 30 years ago we fought stereotypes, in the 1980's through the present, we have been struggling to define ourselves and everyone around us, using terminology that further polarizes and isolates us all.   Are you fat, thin, ugly, pretty, left, right, gay, straight, jew, or christian, white, or african american? Here on collar me, I have noticed if you are black you will be classified as an American even if you are from another country!  Even music has been divided into nano-segments.  Long gone are the days of Rock, soul, blues, jazz and classical.  Now we have Rap, hip-hop, R&B, smooth R&B, Jazz, smooth jazz.. classical, classic rock, hard rock, alternative rock... you get the point.   Then we further define ourselves and others into groups, then exclusive groups... Sexuality is used to define ourselves, down to a specific kink.  Our looks and social background, breast size, cock size, piercings, tattoos, political views, level of education, biases and assumptions, clubs, financial prosperity or lack thereof, etc... it is all used as a mosaic to define everything.. but what does it REALLY mean, and does it REALLY matter?    My point is.. Does not the definition of who we are come from within our own hearts?  When you repair your car instead of selling it, because it was a gift from your father- others may think you are too poor to buy a new car, when you are merely sentimental.  When you take your elderly dog for cataract surgery, some will call you a silly fool, when you just feel that some things are worth any price and you will gladly do anything for something you love. Should we throw away the things that no longer look good, or that cost us money, and cling to the things that look good and can be replaced, because our value system as a society is off- target?   When you see a person toil in the sun, back bent with arthiritis, do you think, this is all he can do now?  Or can you see the beauty in his unselfish act of growing vegetables and giving them to his friends?   It seems to me that personally, I get the most reward out of doing things I love to do, and sharing those things.  I know people may look at me and think I have nothing they care to have, because they see only the surface.  As we sit on this planet, that is populated by over six BILLION people, many of us sit alone, searching for someone we can define as being compatible with us.  Perhaps instead of looking out there, we should begin to look at ourselves.  My question is- and this question is for those of you who are so damned picky that you cannot CONDESCEND to accept anything but your ideal of perfection- do not dictate the things you need or want from others- instead, tell me, WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME?  What is it WITHIN yourself, that you can offer to others?    
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RE: WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME - 6/29/2006 8:34:31 AM   
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i'll offer you the same deal i offered some other chap with a broken cr key.

make 20 paragraphs out of the spaghetti, i'll read it.

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RE: WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME - 6/29/2006 8:35:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: My point is.. Does not the definition of who we are come from within our own hearts? 

Not completely.  I'm a lot more than my heart.

A person can have the best heart in the world and still be a dumbass, or an addict, or completely unattractive to me, or monogamous.

Any of those would eliminate them from consideration from me- no matter what their heart was made of.

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My question is- and this question is for those of you who are so damned picky that you cannot CONDESCEND to accept anything but your ideal of perfection- do not dictate the things you need or want from others- instead, tell me, WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME?  

I dunno.  But I do know that my method of refusing to compromise myself, refusing anything other than I know will make me fulfilled and refusing to stop working for exactly what I want has provided me with three partners I am eternally blessed to have, a loving family and an exciting journey ahead.

Your arguments have been made and will be made countless times.  Some people don't know what they want, or they do know but don't go about it in the right way.

We each get to be as irrational as we want when we choose someone else in our lives.  Accept it and just say no thanks to the person who doesn't fit for you.


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RE: WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME - 6/29/2006 8:41:06 AM   
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An interesting rant, however in the end you have only reflected the same "do me" attitude you decry. You are still focusing on you
You complain that people list what they want, then you want them to tell you what they can do for you, what about what you can do for them?

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RE: WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME - 6/29/2006 8:43:24 AM   
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quote:

My question is- and this question is for those of you who are so damned picky that you cannot CONDESCEND to accept anything but your ideal of perfection- do not dictate the things you need or want from others- instead, tell me, WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME?  What is it WITHIN yourself, that you can offer to others?
 

Ha - after your whole dialog about people wanting to get rather than give, this is your question? Now i understand that hopefully you want a submissive with a desire to serve, but in viewing your profile, and from what you've stated here, it seems she who lives in a glass house should not throw stones.

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RE: WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME - 6/29/2006 8:54:30 AM   
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I put out there what I am looking for in fairly specific terms... plus I have a list (6 points) of non-negotiable terms.  This is not ALL that I am looking for or not looking for in an individual seeking to serve me.  What is on my profile, is a starting point in seeking someone who is looking the same thing (also as a starting point).  I plan to inquire a lot further into the interests, personality, background, etc., of anyone who contacts me on the basis of that profile, and I would most certainly expect that they would do the same of me.  I'm not judging others, merely attempting to catch the attention of someone who has like interests.

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RE: WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME - 6/29/2006 8:55:21 AM   
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Well if I was looking, there is a proviso, no woman is going to come between me and my cigarettes and whiskey and I don't care for health freaks, they're unhealthy. I also don't want to be constantly discussing honesty, loyalty and trust as it means you haven't got any.

After that, if I set my mind to it I'm loyal to a point and if I'm not, I'm honest about it. I care for people who are dependent on me both emotionally and financially. I'm a conscientious lover when I'm in the mood and if I'm not I'm a good friend. I'm in good physical condition for my age despite my vices, I can out cycle all my none smoking friends and I can still run a good mile. I would free my partner from the dreaded 9-5 as she can work for me and I offer a varied and interesting lifestyle to my partner and a fair amount of travel. What she sees is what she gets and there are no hidden surprises as long as I don't experience any hidden surprises.

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RE: WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME - 6/29/2006 8:56:55 AM   
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The real trick is to focus on the me aspect from a different angle.

Which would be,"How will serving my best interests and desires be accomplished by doing the same for another?"

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RE: WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME - 6/29/2006 9:11:27 AM   
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Actually, at the end of my profile, I have a "what do you get from this?" paragraph.  Giving is not a 1-way street, it's only that what the slave receives in return is not "in kind" ...that is, the benefits that acrue to the Dominant tend to be more clearly visible than those received by the slave; speaking of course in terms of 24/7 TPE rather than play!

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RE: WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME - 6/29/2006 9:13:35 AM   
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He dips His lid.......smiling heaps

Nice rant, enjoyable read! We could share a soap box but I cant be bothered wasting the energy.  You identified the problem, you thought of options and reasons, you acted.... but you final resolution is to put the onus back onto others.... Save your energy and accept that one day you may find a person who is profiling what you expect.
Are you doing the same in your profile? Maybe I was directed to the wrong proile?
You normally get what you ask or don't ask for in life. It all starts within our own home.

Anyways, There are people that do what you ask for not all are anally retentive possessive driven morons.   Maybe you should be directing your action at the various site Moderator/Owners and then doing threads to gain support for changes.

Again in respect..."Thanks for the mental stimulation"

Warm regards, Driver1961.  Sir to His loving Wildchild.. 

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RE: WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME - 6/29/2006 9:14:03 AM   
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Bottom line?....people are driven by "what's in it for me?" Even those who give up every ounce of control over their lives are getting some desire within themselves satisfied by doing so.

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RE: WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME - 6/29/2006 9:20:34 AM   
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.......And the band plays on and on ......

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RE: WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME - 6/29/2006 9:25:16 AM   
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Mistsoferin beat me to the punch....there is no true altruism...its sexy fiction...but with in that truth, there is great potential for fun and intimacy with a partner, not in spite of ,but because, both people have done the self inquiry needed to know what they are wanting/needing to get out of the relationship.

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RE: WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME - 6/29/2006 9:37:32 AM   
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In reading your profile, through the end of your journal, I realized that you are a Pro-Domme.  If you require others to pay for your services, I suggest you provide what they desire.

If you want business, I would suggest you stop ranting about not finding people who are in this for themselves.


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RE: WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME - 6/29/2006 9:54:00 AM   
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Ha!!!  Sunshine well picked! I missed that bit!

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RE: WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME - 6/29/2006 2:07:47 PM   
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Funny.. I never think of what someone can give me.. or what I can give them... I think.. damn.. here goes another idiot that thinks I wanna fuck him because he thinks he's a dom.

That's why my profile doesn't state what I can offer.. or what I look for.. I want to know the person first.. the rest will fall into place if it's suppose to. If not.. things are still kewl...


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RE: WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME - 6/29/2006 2:09:02 PM   
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Yes, it is food for thought. An encouraging thought for those who might be having self-esteem issues, or maybe are not getting the interest in their profiles they'd hoped for, too.

-Susan

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RE: WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME - 6/29/2006 2:38:23 PM   
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quote:


Original: mistoferin
Bottom line?....people are driven by "what's in it for me?" Even those who give up every ounce of control over their lives are getting some desire within themselves satisfied by doing so.


Very true.

...and have to say that this can be an atruistic thing....doesn't happen often..but can be. Things have to fit together to work properly. Example: The grass needs a relationship with the rain and all the qualities and benefits the rain gives to it. If grass had an intellect like human beings and felt it had to negotiate its relationships, it would be asking the rain " What's in it for me, why should I let you rain on me..why should we have a relationship?" Sometimes it can be very complicated to be human, all these choices we perceive of what is good and bad for us. I think as we let go of the attachments that allows an external world to give us our identity we become more our natural selves and we just start attracting what naturally fits with us and will be of benefit to us.

< Message edited by slavejali -- 6/29/2006 2:40:24 PM >


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RE: WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME - 6/29/2006 3:32:44 PM   
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The bulk of your post reminds me of my own period of questioning how people see what's important in life, in people, in themselves.  These questions set me on a journey of discovery that in the end was very much like the story by Hermann Hesse (Siddhartha).  In fact, more than once people who were familiar with that book told me I reminded them of the main character.
 
Other investigations were pursued during this journey including a review of many religions and philosophies.  What I've learned as an answer to the basic question is this...somewhere way back in time we as human beings began to develop understandings of the world in which we live, they took root, were refined and institutionalized, and today we, the current living edge of the human wave that's continually renewing itself with each generation are essentially conditioned to incorporate the views of our parents; adding little incremental twists along the way so the whole thing slowly changes over time.
 
In short, we are not as original as we may think.  We are all extensions of our predecessors.  I sincerely believe the rebellious period we go through as teenagers and young adults is the unconscious realization of what it happening to us.  Only those who for some odd set of circumstances grow up outside the fold are at least to some degree freed of the conditioning and can see the world in ways many others cannot.  That's also what happens when cultures clash.
 
When you realize this in your bones, when you see that all of what's out there and generally accepted as reality is just a play being acted out on the world stage, you are freed of this conditioning.  But the price is an odd sense of being in exile and a bit depressing.  Everything is "not real" and yet quite "real."  It's hard to pretend again after you've had your eyes opened.
 
There's another book that is very good in helping people through this epiphany if they are lucky enough to experience it.  I forget the author's name but the title is, "I've Given Up my Search for the Truth and am Now Looking for a Good Fantasy."  That's what I'm doing but find the people who have awakened themselves to be very few and far between...let alone Dominant.
 
I ask myself all the time, why can't I meet someone who's interested in me and not what I own, my wallet, and all the other things that are part of me but not "me."  When I read profiles, I look for some clue that this is what the other person is looking for as well but again, they instead slam the door in my face with demands and expectations.  It's really frustrating as I can see how two people could establish who they are to each other first AND THEN start laying down the rules.  But they don't and instead insist on putting the cart before the horse and wonder why they're still searching.
 
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RE: WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME - 6/29/2006 3:42:58 PM   
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Between nothing and nothing, life is the something in between. It is an event you experience to the full or you shy away from it through religion and morals.

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