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19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care?

He got what he deserved

15% (14)

I would take him to Disneyland

2% (2)

Cops are a cold hearted SOB

20% (18)

I personally am sick of looking at grapiti

12% (11)

Outlaw tazers

13% (12)

More people ought to tag

3% (3)

I want to live in a slum

1% (1)

Kids will be kids

11% (10)

Regulate sales of paint

7% (7)

Buy that cop a beer!

11% (10)

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/12/2013 9:03:40 AM

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I've got nothing against law enforcement, but I don't think if someone committed a minor crime is a violent danger for society, than I don't think when not obeying law enforcement you give up your civil rights and not being subjected to unnecessary violence is one for what I think, than not less important I'm used to criticize and process things with my brain, in this story I see incongruities that can be explained but for what it's been reported they stand now. To me it seems that you are too much into dicotomy, just this.

p.s. I was not putting in an awful lot of storyline I was trying to suppose various scenario and see if they matched with what declared by the officers, I wrote 3 different things.

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/12/2013 9:07:35 AM

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Evading arrest is a felony.
Vandalism is a felony if the damage is over a certain fairly small amount.
They were helping him do both, why else have a lookout if you don't intend to evade arrest. This is a well known law down there that has been on the books for decades so they have a lot to lose and they know it.

Actually, fleeing can be either a felony or a misdemeanor, depending on circumstances, and I don’t think this event qualifies as a felony, according to information in the attached link. If it is not a felony then the murder charge isn’t applicable…and certainly not murder 1 as you earlier mentioned. And if it isn’t applicable, then it leaves the cops with the most to lose, and in my opinion the most likely to lie. Also, once again, I’m not saying the cops ARE lying, only that I would like more than their simple say-so on the matter since there is another version of events.

http://www.husseinandwebber.com/resisting_arrest.html

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/12/2013 9:12:50 AM

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Absolutely not. What I'm saying is that of the two versions told, the cops are the ones with more reason to falsify what they said. .

That is incorrect. By Florida law, the lookouts could be charged with up to murder I as they abetted.

Maybe. Maybe not. There are a number of specifics that are still unknown. At most, that would make the lookout only equally as likely to lie, but certainly no more likely to. And, unfortunately, there is probably no way to determine who is telling the lie, so of course the guys with the guns and badges will be the ones getting the benefit of the doubt.

The more the lookout talks the less sense he makes.
You want a society where the cops word is meaningless?

LOL...Once again you seem to be talking only to hear your head rattle. Where did I EVER say anything like that? Cops can and very often DO lie. I would LOVE to see that changed. So where the hell do you come up with me wanting the cops word to be meaningless? If you want to argue for the sake of argument, find someone else. Your nonsense isn't worth my time.

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/12/2013 9:35:17 AM

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he was breaking the law no matter what

so he should get life/death penalty for being a lookout for graffiti? I just happen to feel the punishment should fit the "crime"..

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/12/2013 9:42:19 AM

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Evading arrest is a felony.
Vandalism is a felony if the damage is over a certain fairly small amount.
They were helping him do both, why else have a lookout if you don't intend to evade arrest. This is a well known law down there that has been on the books for decades so they have a lot to lose and they know it.

Actually, fleeing can be either a felony or a misdemeanor, depending on circumstances, and I don’t think this event qualifies as a felony, according to information in the attached link. If it is not a felony then the murder charge isn’t applicable…and certainly not murder 1 as you earlier mentioned. And if it isn’t applicable, then it leaves the cops with the most to lose, and in my opinion the most likely to lie. Also, once again, I’m not saying the cops ARE lying, only that I would like more than their simple say-so on the matter since there is another version of events.

http://www.husseinandwebber.com/resisting_arrest.html

I said "UP TO murder I".
Please folks, the words are out there. Read and comprehend them.

As for the felony charge, DA's typically start with that and try to get it bargained down so they can still get their feather.

You also kinda conveniently forgot Felony vandalism. http://www.molarilaw.com/criminal/maldamagemv-vandalize

That's right kids. In the state of FL, if it costs more than $1,000 to remove your 'art' and return the building to its state before you visited, it's a felony.

http://www.husseinandwebber.com/criminal-mischief-statute.html

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/12/2013 9:55:08 AM

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he was breaking the law no matter what

so he should get life/death penalty for being a lookout for graffiti? I just happen to feel the punishment should fit the "crime"..

You put the word "Crime" in quotes.

Do you feel that something that costs $25 Billion/year in direct costs mostly to homeowners and small businessmen who are frequently already living hand to mouth and tens of billions more every single year in indirect costs to these same people isn't a crime?

Bernie Madoff only cost investors 17 Billion over a lifetime and he's deservedly rotting in jail forever.
I seem to remember someone on this very thread snarking that the young man should have become a banker so he could get away scott free. Now in the same thread, something that costs the public a hell of a lot more than bank fraud is put in doubt as to whether it's even a "crime".
Noone says he will get life for being a lookout. Remember those words "up to".

Graffiti has cost the American public HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars and people doubt that it's a crime?

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/12/2013 10:09:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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he was breaking the law no matter what

so he should get life/death penalty for being a lookout for graffiti? I just happen to feel the punishment should fit the "crime"..

You put the word "Crime" in quotes.

Do you feel that something that costs $25 Billion/year in direct costs mostly to homeowners and small businessmen who are frequently already living hand to mouth and tens of billions more every single year in indirect costs to these same people isn't a crime?

Bernie Madoff only cost investors 17 Billion over a lifetime and he's deservedly rotting in jail forever.
I seem to remember someone on this very thread snarking that the young man should have become a banker so he could get away scott free. Now in the same thread, something that costs the public a hell of a lot more than bank fraud is put in doubt as to whether it's even a "crime".
Noone says he will get life for being a lookout. Remember those words "up to".

Graffiti has cost the American public HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars and people doubt that it's a crime?

one lookout did not do $25 Billion/yr damage and no, one person should not be tarnished with the deeds of all others.. $25 worth of cleaning materials (or re-painting) and several hours cleaning it up so sure, he should pay for his crimes (community service/cleaning), which as I said, the punishment should fit the "crime".. It gives the justice system a chance to convince the person to change the direction of his life into one that is more productive & law-abiding & that is (imo) the most important thing to accomplish.. Imo, being a lookout for graffiti is on par with jaywalking.. and actually, jaywalking is actually much more serious/dangerous (but few people recognize that)..

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/12/2013 10:12:49 AM

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I've got nothing against law enforcement, but I don't think if someone committed a minor crime is a violent danger for society...

Nobody has suggested that anywhere in this thread.
Nobody, except yourself, has intimated that the minor crime is somehow turned violent.
Even at the tazing stage, violence has not been implied.

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ORIGINAL: eulero83
...than I don't think when not obeying law enforcement you give up your civil rights and not being subjected to unnecessary violence is one for what I think

By not obeying law enforcement officers, you most certainly have relinquished pretty much most of your civil rights.
Maybe you can't see that.

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ORIGINAL: eulero83
...than not less important I'm used to criticize and process things with my brain, in this story I see incongruities that can be explained but for what it's been reported they stand now. To me it seems that you are too much into dicotomy, just this.

We just happen to disagree.
But your storyline is most certainly anti-police.

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p.s. I was not putting in an awful lot of storyline I was trying to suppose various scenario and see if they matched with what declared by the officers, I wrote 3 different things.

Never try to second-guess a scenario and try to make it fit into what you want to believe.
Just stick to the facts as we know them.
Too many "what if's" muddy the waters somewhat especially when a lot of them don't even come close to the known facts.
You can "what if" ad nauseum, but that doesn't alter the facts.

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/12/2013 10:39:57 AM

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...than I don't think when not obeying law enforcement you give up your civil rights and not being subjected to unnecessary violence is one for what I think

By not obeying law enforcement officers, you most certainly have relinquished pretty much most of your civil rights.
Maybe you can't see that.

in the terms of what the costitution says not in the term you say

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ORIGINAL: eulero83
...than not less important I'm used to criticize and process things with my brain, in this story I see incongruities that can be explained but for what it's been reported they stand now. To me it seems that you are too much into dicotomy, just this.

We just happen to disagree.
But your storyline is most certainly anti-police.

and your is too much hero vs villain

anyhow I exposed my point if someone can't understand completely what I meant becuse think I'm some kind of no global or anarchist that lives in a social center or whatever (that could not be more far from truth) I can't do nothing about it.

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/12/2013 10:40:21 AM

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one lookout did not do $25 Billion/yr damage and no, one person should not be tarnished with the deeds of all others.. $25 worth of cleaning materials (or re-painting) and several hours cleaning it up so sure, he should pay for his crimes (community service/cleaning), which as I said, the punishment should fit the "crime".. It gives the justice system a chance to convince the person to change the direction of his life into one that is more productive & law-abiding & that is (imo) the most important thing to accomplish.. Imo, being a lookout for graffiti is on par with jaywalking.. and actually, jaywalking is actually much more serious/dangerous (but few people recognize that)..

One banker doesn't steal all those Billions either but he's part of the problem and we'd both like to see a lot of them drawn and quartered on the public square wouldn't we? (or at least jailed until they are old).
The lookout is part of a 25+ billion dollar a year problem.

$25 worth of cleaning materials? No, the wall will have to be repainted. You don't clean pain off.
A 5 gallon bucket of paint is $175 at Lowes and you'll need several.
Painters charge $25-30/hour and it will take a small crew several hours.

Then, a month later, some little "artist" does it again.
Wanna bet if he gets hurt by someone there is a hue and cry all over again?

I'd even bet that if he gets injured while defacing the property, some of them would even sue.

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/12/2013 11:24:44 AM

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and your is too much hero vs villain

And that is exactly it.....

Here we have one villain damaging someone else's property.
And as I said earlier - it doesn't matter if it's with spray paint or a pick axe.
He is breaking the law.

People don't like seeing vandalism. It's just plain disgusting at any level.
People don't like having to pay decent money to repair that vandalism.

Who pays for it?
For a public building, it comes from public funds and puts up local taxes or a local service suffers from lower funding.
For a business, it comes out of the profits so in order to make up the deficit, the customer faces a price hike.
For private property, the owner pays for it and in many cases, claims from the insurance.
That puts up the premiums for everyone to cover those claims.

So in the end, everyone has to pay for pricks like this tagger to show off his "art".
They need to be caught and face justice.

So here we have the local "heroes" - our local police force that we all pay for to uphold the law on our behalf.
They catch the little fucker wrecking someone else's property.
They try to apprehend him but he does a runner and taunts them rather than giving up peacefully.
He doesn't manage to escape so he tries one last effort to get away.
The cops know that tazers, despite some deaths, generally cause less injury and fuss than any other method at close quarters.
This is a young juvenile that has proved he's a fit little bastard by giving them a chase.
They use the tazer - it's probably the best option, all things considered.
And yes, they give high-fives and cheer because this particular fucker is known to them and escaped far too often.
It is costing the community money because of his antics and needed to be taken off the streets.

Unfortunately, for some (as yet unexplained) reason he dies from the tazer.
There is now an investigation as to how or why this happened.

How much closer to 'hero vs villain' do you need it to be. Huh??

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/12/2013 5:06:54 PM

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funny how the SIU haven't issued a news release since july 29th
issued first one on july 27th, when the incident occurred
then on 29th
none since
but the cop who saved a chocking woman................
well, the media continually talks about it
but not the wonderful cop
HES ON A PAID VACATION
excuse me,
THE COPS ARE NOT GETTING TRAINED PROPERLY
NINE SHOTS ?
THEN TAZERRED ?
GIVE ME A BREAK, PLEASE
cant take someone down with the first shot ?
shouldn't be using a gun, then
should get better training
should have psychological testing
BEFORE given their guns
not just my opinion
adrienne

That quite a first post, but if I may make a suggestion. There is a link in the OP that explains what the thread is about. That would be the tazer story. Nine shots was a totally different story that happened in Canada.

So to reply to your post, yes the cop was put on paid leave. They take them off duty anytime there is a death like this. And if I had to guess I would say it's paid because they realize that nothing is going to come of it. The cop didn't try to kill the kid, it was an accident.

Not only that but he can't be punished without proof of wrongdoing.

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/12/2013 5:15:35 PM

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Absolutely not. What I'm saying is that of the two versions told, the cops are the ones with more reason to falsify what they said. .

That is incorrect. By Florida law, the lookouts could be charged with up to murder I as they abetted.

Maybe. Maybe not. There are a number of specifics that are still unknown. At most, that would make the lookout only equally as likely to lie, but certainly no more likely to. And, unfortunately, there is probably no way to determine who is telling the lie, so of course the guys with the guns and badges will be the ones getting the benefit of the doubt.

The more the lookout talks the less sense he makes.
You want a society where the cops word is meaningless?

LOL...Once again you seem to be talking only to hear your head rattle. Where did I EVER say anything like that? Cops can and very often DO lie. I would LOVE to see that changed. So where the hell do you come up with me wanting the cops word to be meaningless? If you want to argue for the sake of argument, find someone else. Your nonsense isn't worth my time.

You were lamenting the fact that the cops word would be taken over the criminals.

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/12/2013 5:31:00 PM

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One banker doesn't steal all those Billions either but he's part of the problem and we'd both like to see a lot of them drawn and quartered on the public square wouldn't we? (or at least jailed until they are old).
The lookout is part of a 25+ billion dollar a year problem.

$25 worth of cleaning materials? No, the wall will have to be repainted. You don't clean pain off.
A 5 gallon bucket of paint is $175 at Lowes and you'll need several.
Painters charge $25-30/hour and it will take a small crew several hours.

Then, a month later, some little "artist" does it again.
Wanna bet if he gets hurt by someone there is a hue and cry all over again?

I'd even bet that if he gets injured while defacing the property, some of them would even sue.

of course the $25 billion is an exaggeration, I somehow doubt every time graffiti is painted over its with a professional crew & painting the whole wall (which few people actually do).. You get the kid to buy the paint and him do the painting over so that he learns not to do it again..

If it was me I would take a couple of gallons of the same color paint and a paint sprayer and go over the painted part, blending the new paint into the original wall.. and then put a fence up, along with other deterrents I have already mentioned.. You can get your knickers in a twist over graffiti if you want but I don't see the point of that.. why let anyone "get to" you like that? life's too short, dude..

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/12/2013 5:40:37 PM

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of course the $25 billion is an exaggeration, I somehow doubt every time graffiti is painted over its with a professional crew & painting the whole wall (which few people actually do).. You get the kid to buy the paint and him do the painting over so that he learns not to do it again..

If it was me I would take a couple of gallons of the same color paint and a paint sprayer and go over the painted part, blending the new paint into the original wall.. and then put a fence up, along with other deterrents I have already mentioned.. You can get your knickers in a twist over graffiti if you want but I don't see the point of that.. why let anyone "get to" you like that? life's too short, dude..

Please don't call me a fucking liar or I might forget that I consider you to be a nice person.

I have already backed up my claim of 25 Billion/year in direct costs on this thread with links which you were obviously too occupied to bother to look at. In the event you are too lazy to go back and look, let me know and I will repost them.
You'd put up a fence eh?
The last one I put up cost a couple of thousand. Of course, in a downtown area, it may or may not be allowable to put up a fence. why should anyone have to expend more precious resources to keep criminals from being hurt?

Should we also say that if you wear a short skirt in public that your rapist couldn't help himself and you should have dressed more modestly? Maybe you should spend lots more money before you go out in public on protective garments to keep those poor widdwe snowfwakes from commiting crimes because they couldn't help themselves.

Why to you insist on defending common criminals? They're scum.

I get my knickers in a twist over criminals.
I get my knickers more in a twist over those who enable them.
I get my knickers most in a twist when mommy goes whining to the authorities because she couldn't be a fucking parent and raise anything but a little criminal.

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/12/2013 6:03:56 PM

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Do I care? Well, I'm sorry he died of course.

But on the other hand, he's better off than he would have been if I'd caught him spray-painting my car.

K.

Why ?
Have you had much trouble with folks spray-painting your car ? For that matter has anyone in your community had much issue with spray painting of cars ?
If he's better off dead than busted by you than you must be one bad assed dude,eh?

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/12/2013 6:18:31 PM

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Please don't call me a fucking liar or I might forget that I consider you to be a nice person.

I have already backed up my claim of 25 Billion/year in direct costs on this thread with links which you were obviously too occupied to bother to look at. In the event you are too lazy to go back and look, let me know and I will repost them.
You'd put up a fence eh?
The last one I put up cost a couple of thousand. Of course, in a downtown area, it may or may not be allowable to put up a fence. why should anyone have to expend more precious resources to keep criminals from being hurt?

Should we also say that if you wear a short skirt in public that your rapist couldn't help himself and you should have dressed more modestly? Maybe you should spend lots more money before you go out in public on protective garments to keep those poor widdwe snowfwakes from commiting crimes because they couldn't help themselves.

Why to you insist on defending common criminals? They're scum.

I get my knickers in a twist over criminals.
I get my knickers more in a twist over those who enable them.
I get my knickers most in a twist when mommy goes whining to the authorities because she couldn't be a fucking parent and raise anything but a little criminal.

dude.. I am not calling you a liar.. I am saying those people that estimate costs are calculating it differently than I would, cuz in reality people don't tend to hire a pro painting crew, imo, most just do it themselves..

Come on dude, bringing rape into this? as a comparison, that is so far away from graffiti that I am not going to comment any further on that..

The fence wouldn't be solely for graffiti artists, it would be for any type of problem, geeze, this is the country of gated communities, after all.. why is that? Putting up a fence would be the first thing I would do but the major reason would be to keep all unauthorized people out, that would be any trespasser or burglar (which with one broken window that already trumps a little paint to me)... and I AM NOT DEFENDING OR ENABLING COMMON CRIMINALS.. I just come from a country that views things differently, jail is for the worst criminals & most serious offences, minor offences are a chance to rehabilitate.. if they are or not is up to them..

And my view is to reduce the opportunity or the effect of anything that happens.. that goes for anything, be it graffiti, a burglar, a hurricane, a runaway vehicle.. whatever.. shite happens.. few things get me upset cuz I choose not to let myself get upset.. to do so gives the person you are upset about control over you, I just wont give anyone that power over me.. Its like why did Zimmy get out of his car?... cuz he was letting his emotions rule him, and look what happened.. he killed a kid and will have to live with that for the rest of his life (if he has any conscience, that is), he is hated by half the country, he will have a hard time getting a job, he gained a hundred pounds, etc etc.. So, no, graffiti wont upset me, I will just paint over it.. and get on with my life..

And yeah, parents need to do a much better job or they end up with dead kids or kids that they have to visit in jail.. or whatever..

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/12/2013 6:24:30 PM

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Please don't call me a fucking liar or I might forget that I consider you to be a nice person.

I have already backed up my claim of 25 Billion/year in direct costs on this thread with links which you were obviously too occupied to bother to look at. In the event you are too lazy to go back and look, let me know and I will repost them.
You'd put up a fence eh?
The last one I put up cost a couple of thousand. Of course, in a downtown area, it may or may not be allowable to put up a fence. why should anyone have to expend more precious resources to keep criminals from being hurt?

Should we also say that if you wear a short skirt in public that your rapist couldn't help himself and you should have dressed more modestly? Maybe you should spend lots more money before you go out in public on protective garments to keep those poor widdwe snowfwakes from commiting crimes because they couldn't help themselves.

Why to you insist on defending common criminals? They're scum.

I get my knickers in a twist over criminals.
I get my knickers more in a twist over those who enable them.
I get my knickers most in a twist when mommy goes whining to the authorities because she couldn't be a fucking parent and raise anything but a little criminal.

dude.. I am not calling you a liar.. I am saying those people that estimate costs are calculating it differently than I would, cuz in reality people don't tend to hire a pro painting crew, imo, most just do it themselves..

Come on dude, bringing rape into this? as a comparison, that is so far away from graffiti that I am not going to comment any further on that..

The fence wouldn't be solely for graffiti artists, it would be for any type of problem, geeze, this is the country of gated communities, after all.. why is that? Putting up a fence would be the first thing I would do but the major reason would be to keep all unauthorized people out, that would be any trespasser or burglar (which with one broken window that already trumps a little paint to me)... and I AM NOT DEFENDING OR ENABLING COMMON CRIMINALS.. I just come from a country that views things differently, jail is for the worst criminals & most serious offences, minor offences are a chance to rehabilitate.. if they are or not is up to them..

And my view is to reduce the opportunity or the effect of anything that happens.. that goes for anything, be it graffiti, a burglar, a hurricane, a runaway vehicle.. whatever.. shite happens.. few things get me upset cuz I choose not to let myself get upset.. to do so gives the person you are upset about control over you, I just wont give anyone that power over me.. Its like why did Zimmy get out of his car?... cuz he was letting his emotions rule him, and look what happened.. he killed a kid and will have to live with that for the rest of his life (if he has any conscience, that is), he is hated by half the country, he will have a hard time getting a job, he gained a hundred pounds, etc etc.. So, no, graffiti wont upset me, I will just paint over it.. and get on with my life..

And yeah, parents need to do a much better job or they end up with dead kids or kids that they have to visit in jail.. or whatever..

If you don't like my numbers, find your own.

Yes, I brought rape into it because you are blaming the victim and saying that they should do more to prevent the crime. Isn't that exactly what the 'slut shamers' do?
It's her fault.

All you are doing is enabling criminals who cost the American public at least as much every year as the crooked banksters.

"Oh well, if you would just spend thousands of dollars, those poor misguided children might not commit their crimes"

How about this?
Don't commit a crime and you won't be hurt.
You typed this "And my view is to reduce the opportunity or the effect of anything that happens.. that goes for anything, be it graffiti, a burglar, a hurricane, a runaway vehicle.."

How far is it from that to telling women to cover up to reduce the possibility of other crimes?

You claim you're not doing exactly what you ARE doing. You're making excuses for delinquents.

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/12/2013 6:53:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

If you don't like my numbers, find your own.

Yes, I brought rape into it because you are blaming the victim and saying that they should do more to prevent the crime. Isn't that exactly what the 'slut shamers' do?
It's her fault.

All you are doing is enabling criminals who cost the American public at least as much every year as the crooked banksters.

"Oh well, if you would just spend thousands of dollars, those poor misguided children might not commit their crimes"

How about this?
Don't commit a crime and you won't be hurt.
You typed this "And my view is to reduce the opportunity or the effect of anything that happens.. that goes for anything, be it graffiti, a burglar, a hurricane, a runaway vehicle.."

How far is it from that to telling women to cover up to reduce the possibility of other crimes?

You claim you're not doing exactly what you ARE doing. You're making excuses for delinquents.

No, no, no, I am not blaming the victim.. I am saying I would do certain things to reduce the opportunity for that to happen.. what each person does or doesn't do is up to them.. How many of these kids are ever caught? very few imo.. so if they are not caught or stopped or if there is a new crop of kids doing that next year.. it seems sort of silly to not do something to stop them from seeing your property as a good target, or they will just keep doing it.. (and still never be caught).. Why bother putting locks on your door? that is a deterrant.. just like a fence is.. or a burglar alarm is, or all the other stuff people can do to prevent any crime..

Sure I a perfect world bankers wouldn't be banksters and kids wouldn't paint graffiti & burglars wouldn't rob people.. this world isn't the way it is tho?.. btw, I just remembered that yes, I have had graffiti done to my property twice in the past.. but it was so minor/unimportant to me that I forgot all about that until just now.. I have had a B&E once too.. What exactly do you expect me to do about that? they are long gone.. and real life isn't like cop shows on tv, the cops are not gonna send out CSI to dust my property for fingerprints and dna.. What exactly would you expect me to do about that? I say again, shite happens, I am not going to get upset by it cuz getting upset does no good at all..

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RE: 19 yr old tagger, tazed, died, do you care? - 8/12/2013 6:58:48 PM

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I just love how the media plays this. We are supposed to feel sorry for this "artist".

Had he lived he would be back at it- tagging property right now.

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