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metamorfosis -> RE: How Do I get my wife to agree???? (8/13/2013 9:32:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Doesn't the title of the thread asking how he gets his wife to agree, imply that they don't have an agreement in place?




I understood the title as "How do I get my wife to agree to BDSM" and not "How do I get my wife to agree to an open marriage." The OP's profile states that he's looking for a sub to play outside the home, discreetly. Most assumed this meant he was looking for someone to cheat with. Although this seemed likely, it might also conceivably have meant that he had her consent to have sex with other women (with her not wanting to know the exact details, hence the "discreet" part), without ever having broached the subject of BDSM.

If the OP had simply been living in an open marriage and had wanted to sell his wife on the idea of a live in domestic/sex slave, he might have asked the same question.

Now that the OP has clarified himself, we absolutely know that he was, in fact, looking to cheat.




Rochsub2009 -> RE: How Do I get my wife to agree???? (8/13/2013 10:12:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Extravagasm

with Mods removing one, and other whiners claiming they'd already seen too much LOL

I'd considered it was the OP they'd denigrated, but whatever.



Extravagasm,
Don't you see that by calling us whiners, you're doing the same thing that you accused us of? Ironic, isn't it?

I see that you've been here a long time, so you're probably familiar with my posting history. I am NOT a whiner. I merely pointed out that you posted the exact same thing 3 times (although apparently the moderators removed one of your redundant posts). I simply didn't understand why you felt that posting the exact same thing 3 times was necessary. Descrite simply hadn't been back to the board. He was going to get your original message when he did. There was no need to post it 2 additional times to make sure that he got the message. It seemed like you were being impatient, rather than simply waiting for him to return and respond to your post. There was nothing malevolent in my intent. I simply didn't understand why a guy who has been here for almost a decade didn't realize that some people don't log on every day, and that patience is sometimes necessary before you receive a reply to your post.

To be clear, I have nothing personal against you. If you felt attacked by me, I do apologize.

BTW, you've probably noticed that the OP has returned and confirmed that his intent was to cheat.




metamorfosis -> RE: How Do I get my wife to agree???? (8/13/2013 10:15:02 AM)

Actually, I think it's a valid to ask whether forum members should have jumped to that conclusion. While I think there was sufficient evidence to make that assumption, it's worth considering whether posters have any interest in assuming the worst rather than the best about a new poster, and whether that has any effect on forum dynamics.




Hillwilliam -> RE: How Do I get my wife to agree???? (8/13/2013 10:28:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

quote:

ORIGINAL: descrite
You have no idea what their arrangement/rules/parameters are. You do know his question.

Doesn't the title of the thread asking how he gets his wife to agree, imply that they don't have an agreement in place?



It also implies that he wants to be up front and honest and have her on board but many posters seemed to miss that little bit of info.




Rochsub2009 -> RE: How Do I get my wife to agree???? (8/13/2013 10:30:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: trustandesire

Yes, been married, yes still happily. no cheating. Yes looking to because lack of sex has made me a bit nuts. Shoot me. Would rather have wife on board hence my posting this way out of control post. Asthma prevents oral sex and some regular sex. meds make her spazz and no sleep. It's all connected and it all affects back to the sex life which suffers. Not rich, not looking to spend gobs of money on a hooker or any woman. Was looking for another who had the same empty place as me. RE-thinking my options.



Trustandesire,
Thanks for your honesty and vulnerability. Your initial post left out several critical details, and in some ways, that caused the exchange of contentious posts that followed. But we now have a better understanding of your situation.

It sounds like you love your wife, and want to stay with her, but you also want to enjoy a sex life that may not be possible with your wife. That's a tough dilemma.

As many have already indicated, the likelihood of your wife accepting the idea of you bringing in a younger sex slave is probably very low. Most married women who have never indicated an interest in polyamory don't just convert to polyamory with the first conversation. But perhaps your wife will be the exception, so good luck with that (I mean that sincerely).

But assuming she doesn't go along with the idea of you bringing in an outside lover, what do you plan to do then? That's really when you are going to have to make some tough decisions.

1) Will you discreetly bring in an outside lover and hope your wife doesn't find out?
2) Will you accept your wife's decision, and give up on the idea of having an outside sex slave?
3) Will you divorce your wife and seek the sexual fulfillment that you deserve?
4) Will you try to find new and innovative ways to make your current situation more sexually enjoyable?

Frankly, I wouldn't judge you if you chose to divorce her. You deserve to be happy, just like she does. So divorce might be a more honest (and some might say "moral") choice than cheating. But there are serious implications of divorce, and you will have to really think about them.

Frankly, I would suggest that you take a long look at option 4. There are ways to have a fulfilling sexual life without intercourse. Have you guys explored mutual masturbation, oral, bondage, role playing, and other ways of satisfying your erotic urges? Perhaps you can masturbate in front of her while she directs your actions (you did say that she is dominant). Or perhaps you can experiment with sex toys like butt plugs (for you, not for her), tens units, violet wands, etc.

Many marriages have had to face tragedies like erectile dysfunction, paralysis, and disfigurement. Yet, plenty of people in those situations have found ways to keep the romance in their lives. You should consider researching what people in those situations do.

Good luck to you. You really are facing a difficult situation. But with creativity and lots of communication, you and your wife can overcome this challenge.
-Roch




JeffBC -> RE: How Do I get my wife to agree???? (8/13/2013 10:30:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis
I understood the title as "How do I get my wife to agree to BDSM" and not "How do I get my wife to agree to an open marriage." The OP's profile states that he's looking for a sub to play outside the home, discreetly. Most assumed this meant he was looking for someone to cheat with.

That just makes no sense to me.

In the post he wants his wife to agree to an open marriage. In his profile he wants to cheat. My assumption was that he wants a nubile young slave-girl any way he can get it but he'd prefer to convince his wife to agree to it thereby avoiding the whole cheating thing.




wittynamehere -> RE: How Do I get my wife to agree???? (8/13/2013 10:30:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: trustandesire
How Do I get my _____ to _____?

Doesn't matter what's in the blanks. You can't "get" anyone to do anything.
You could try talking to her about it - just a thought.




metamorfosis -> RE: How Do I get my wife to agree???? (8/13/2013 10:32:20 AM)

He has admitted to looking to cheat on his wife. A few posters seem to have missed that bit of info.




Rochsub2009 -> RE: How Do I get my wife to agree???? (8/13/2013 10:35:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

Actually, I think it's a valid to ask whether forum members should have jumped to that conclusion. While I think there was sufficient evidence to make that assumption, it's worth considering whether posters have any interest in assuming the worst rather than the best about a new poster, and whether that has any effect on forum dynamics.


There is plenty of history that shows that posters can definitely be hard on new posters. Heck, I got ripped a new one the first few times I posted here.

But in this case, there was good reason to assume that the OP was planning to cheat (and he has since confirmed as much). Personally, I went to his profile, and that made things pretty clear. But I can see why some who hadn't visited his profile might have thought that we were accusing him of things that he never actually said. In this case, visiting his profile caused me to respond totally differently than I did to his actual message. It was what led me to believe that he wanted to cheat behind his wife's back. In fact, the profile left little doubt about what his intention was.

But as I said, your point is valid. We can be a harsh bunch, and group think often takes over. That's both unfortunate, and not very helpful to the newbies. As a group, we collectively need to do better.




metamorfosis -> RE: How Do I get my wife to agree???? (8/13/2013 10:38:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

quote:

ORIGINAL: metamorfosis
I understood the title as "How do I get my wife to agree to BDSM" and not "How do I get my wife to agree to an open marriage." The OP's profile states that he's looking for a sub to play outside the home, discreetly. Most assumed this meant he was looking for someone to cheat with.

That just makes no sense to me.

In the post he wants his wife to agree to an open marriage. In his profile he wants to cheat. My assumption was that he wants a nubile young slave-girl any way he can get it but he'd prefer to convince his wife to agree to it thereby avoiding the whole cheating thing.


No, the profile and post were ambiguous, until he (finally) explained them. People made assumptions, and based their replies off of those assumptions. No one, until now, could be sure whether he was trying to cheat or not. It's worth considering whether posters assumptions reveal anything about themselves.




OsideGirl -> RE: How Do I get my wife to agree???? (8/13/2013 10:41:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

quote:

ORIGINAL: descrite
You have no idea what their arrangement/rules/parameters are. You do know his question.

Doesn't the title of the thread asking how he gets his wife to agree, imply that they don't have an agreement in place?



It also implies that he wants to be up front and honest and have her on board but many posters seemed to miss that little bit of info.


Not really. It implies that he wants to be upfront now. He's had a profile here for 10 years. So, he's got 10 years worth of not being upfront logged in before this post.






metamorfosis -> RE: How Do I get my wife to agree???? (8/13/2013 10:43:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009

But in this case, there was good reason to assume that the OP was planning to cheat...Personally, I went to his profile, and that made things pretty clear.



I agree that it made things pretty clear, but not absolutely clear. My reasoning for this is more fully explained in post #103. Whether people should have made the posts they did with things being only pretty clear... I leave that for you to determine.




LadyPact -> RE: How Do I get my wife to agree???? (8/13/2013 10:50:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
It also implies that he wants to be up front and honest and have her on board but many posters seemed to miss that little bit of info.


Not really. It implies that he wants to be upfront now. He's had a profile here for 10 years. So, he's got 10 years worth of not being upfront logged in before this post.

Thank you. I'm not really on board with those who want to sing the song about how "new" the guy is just because he hasn't posted before. The account is from 2004. I don't think the lack of forum posts changes the intent of the creation of the profile.





metamorfosis -> RE: How Do I get my wife to agree???? (8/13/2013 10:57:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Thank you. I'm not really on board with those who want to sing the song about how "new" the guy is just because he hasn't posted before. The account is from 2004. I don't think the lack of forum posts changes the intent of the creation of the profile.


The fact that he created his profile in 2004 doesn't mean he didn't have an open marriage in 2004. The only thing the OP stated upfront is that his wife had no knowledge of his interest in BDSM. He did not state that his wife had no knowledge of his interest in other women. We are only now finding out for sure that that was the case.




Rochsub2009 -> RE: How Do I get my wife to agree???? (8/13/2013 10:59:23 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009

But in this case, there was good reason to assume that the OP was planning to cheat...Personally, I went to his profile, and that made things pretty clear.



I agree that it made things pretty clear, but not absolutely clear. My reasoning for this is more fully explained in post #103. Whether people should have made the posts they did with things being only pretty clear... I leave that for you to determine.


I hear you, but when are things ever ABSOLUTELY clear? This is a discussion board. So we discuss things. The ambiguities are what often lead to the spirited discussions (as this thread proves). When things are crystal clear, it often doesn't leave very much to talk about. Yes, it may lead to consensus, but it also leads to brief, boring discussions.




Hillwilliam -> RE: How Do I get my wife to agree???? (8/13/2013 11:01:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

He has admitted to looking to cheat on his wife. A few posters seem to have missed that bit of info.

I don't answer someone's profile. I read, understand and answer the actual question they asked. I hope that clears up come misconceptions.

ETA, what we apparently have is someone who was wanting to cheat in 2004.

Rather than react to his 2004 thoughts, I reacted to his 2013 thoughts as I figured they would be a wee bit more pertinent.




metamorfosis -> RE: How Do I get my wife to agree???? (8/13/2013 11:09:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009
I hear you, but when are things ever ABSOLUTELY clear? This is a discussion board. So we discuss things. The ambiguities are what often lead to the spirited discussions (as this thread proves). When things are crystal clear, it often doesn't leave very much to talk about. Yes, it may lead to consensus, but it also leads to brief, boring discussions.


Things are never absolutely clear. I made the assumption he was trying to cheat, and I defend it. Not only because it was ultimately correct, but because it seemed more likely than the alternative.

The fact remains that most people made the same assumption, and very few people people gave him the benefit of whatever doubt there was. I'm not saying that's good or bad. I'm just saying it's noteworthy.





MistressDarkArt -> RE: How Do I get my wife to agree???? (8/13/2013 11:14:36 AM)

I still would like to know how the OP feels about the wife having her own male slave, to start.




Hillwilliam -> RE: How Do I get my wife to agree???? (8/13/2013 11:15:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MistressDarkArt

I still would like to know how the OP feels about the wife having her own male slave, to start.

Good point. Fair's fair.




metamorfosis -> RE: How Do I get my wife to agree???? (8/13/2013 11:16:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
ETA, what we apparently have is someone who was wanting to cheat in 2004.


No, what we have is someone who created a profile in 2004. The rest was conjecture until now.

quote:

Rather than react to his 2004 thoughts, I reacted to his 2013 thoughts as I figured they would be a wee bit more pertinent.


No one is saying you should have looked at his profile, or replied based on what he said in his profile rather than his post. And both were ambiguous. It's simply that it was just as valid to have done so as not to have.




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