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RE: -=Gender bending is an innate part of leather - but... - 8/17/2013 8:35:03 AM   
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D'oh!!! So is the asterisk shorthand for transgender? And thank you!

Pretty much. It helps to eliminate problems when some prefer the specific genders being spelled out. You are quite welcome.



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RE: -=Gender bending is an innate part of leather - but... - 8/17/2013 9:12:48 AM   
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The gay leather community may accept gender bending now, but 40 years ago it was a very different story. And many gays still don't accept bi males.

True, but in a lot of cases, we het folks weren't exactly all that welcome forty years ago, either.

There is a concept that some leather folks (of which I am of the same thinking) that is sometimes called the "generations of leather" that is more apt to describe how the leather culture has adopted changes. The basic line of thinking on this is, as times changed and protocols changed, there were, for each generation of change, an old guard and a new guard. In other words, those who wanted things to stay the same (old guard) and those who were supporting change (new guard). The first major one, of course, being "dykes on bikes" (sorry, but that was the term then) having the same right to earn club leather as men. The old guard opposed and what got termed new guard recognizing the contribution of lesbian women during the hardest part of the AIDS crisis, when it was called GRID back then. (Before My own leather journey even began.) Some of the "old guard" accepted change and others would go what is often called "underground" because they stayed with the old ways and other folks were "ruining leather".

This happened over and over again with all of the generations. Each era of acceptance of certain categories of folks into the leather culture brought an old guard and a new guard. That's why, when people ask Me if I'm old guard, I always reply how can I possibly be? It's het chicks like me who have been accepted who wouldn't even be here if the "generations of leather" hadn't happened.

I'm probably pretty much off topic now. Sorry about that.



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RE: -=Gender bending is an innate part of leather - but... - 8/17/2013 11:30:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist
When you meet a Master in real life, their is none of this online bullshit about "I don't call anyone that doesn't own me Master" or "they gotta' earn my respect to have me call them Sir". That's just online "tourist talk" from submissives on these forums. It is usually in response to abuse from some at home and cheating online insta-Doms and/or amateur pros that didn't know what they were doing and put a bad taste in some newbee's mouth.

I assume you mean "leather newbee" or "non-leather person" in this statement because I'm sensitive to titles and I don't offer them casually. Anyone who demanded one of me would get it simply out of curiosity and then I'd never speak to them again because I thought they were idiots. This is just as true of doctors as it is of masters.

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So whether it is gender or title or group association . . . how people identify is internal and you have to connect with them to learn it.

This implies that you care about their identity... their "true self" so to speak. As I'm sure you are aware, most people don't really care about that.

I meant new to leather and to the forums. Are you saying that if you are at the Beyond Leather event and get formally introduced to "Sir Top" the cap holding event sponsor, you aren't going to call them "Sir Top"? That seems like what you are saying. Which would be incredibly rude in real life.

The "people" in your world must be different than mine. We here in Florida care that people like Sir Top are addressed with respect and they (she) are properly addressed with the gender and leather role they self identified (like Sir). Respect is free, it doesn't cost anything to give it away unless you have self esteem issues and believe it does cost because you measure yourself against others (instead of internally). It takes a level of self respect and esteem to be able to know how to show the same to others. I have always seen people who think other people need to "earn respect" from them as having zero redeeming social grace.

Just sayin' - we come from very different worlds.

< Message edited by ResidentSadist -- 8/17/2013 11:32:36 AM >

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