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Lucylastic -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 5:53:36 AM)
Fema camp be better? yanno, for THOSE people?

pahunkboy -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 5:59:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Fema camp be better? yanno, for THOSE people? if what happens in Egypt- happens in the USA- yes- lock them away. They have no right to burn down the city.

Lucylastic -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 5:59:58 AM)
Yeah thats a leap even for you

ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 6:02:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy The function of govt is to make rules- if they did not- we would have anarchy. I do not want that. In Chicago they tore those places down and shipped those people to the suburbs. This was a terrible idea. * Actually, no. They did not ship "those people" to the suburbs. Chicago built a number of low-rise/mixed income housing units throughout the city. The CHA residents who were "displaced" by the destruction of the high-rise buildings were given 1st crack at the new housing. Every potential resident was required to pass a background check in order to sign a lease. For the most part, people who live in public/subsidized housing are hard working, law abiding citizens. They are not animals. They are, however, at the bottom end of the wage scale and for whatever reason their prospects for advancement are not very good. This is not to say that every resident will live out their lives in that situation. Many people take advantage of every opportunity whether it's education, job training, etc and do find better/higher paying work and eventually move out of public housing. Yes, it really does happen. As to the OP, I think Big Brother 1% Bloomberg is completely nuts. Unless he willing to make NYCHA housing a gated community with armed guards and doormen then all he is really doing is treating those residents like criminals. And make no mistake: it is NOT a crime to live in public housing. Are there criminals living there? Yes, I'm sure there are. There are criminals of some stripe living in every neighborhood. And there are many criminal types recieving all sorts of gov't assistance. Shall we now fingerprint, drug test, and background check EVERY person who has or applies for aid? Can we extend that to students looking for PELL Grants? How about someone who was just laid-off and needs unemployment? How about we screen every kid enrolled in a school breakfast/lunch program? Wouldn't want any druggies in the Kindergarten line, right? And let's fingerprint our parents and grandparents before their next Social Security check arrives - after all, so many of them fritter away that money on lottery tickets. No, this is just plain stupid. Beyond that, it is embarassing and insulting. * Wasn't it about a week ago that you had a huge bug up yer butt about all those rules and buden of proof and various bits of internet lawyering? Any credibility you ever had here has long vanished.

pahunkboy -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 6:07:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Yeah thats a leap even for you Lucy- you are everyone here are civilized people. I am talking about the people who do not get along with others. The ciminal element. Those guys would beat you/me silly and steal everything we own- if they were given the chance.

pahunkboy -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 6:11:50 AM)
quote: Actually, no. They did not ship "those people" to the suburbs They most certainly did. Harvey, Posen, Blue Island- were once ok areas- not the best- but not the worst either- today they are pretty bad.

Lucylastic -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 6:12:02 AM)
I pity your outlook, whats even worse is that its self inflicted

pahunkboy -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 6:21:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I pity your outlook, whats even worse is that its self inflicted Then please tell me what you have personally done to assist someone getting out of the ghetto. Talk is cheap.

ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 6:30:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: Actually, no. They did not ship "those people" to the suburbs They most certainly did. Harvey, Posen, Blue Island- were once ok areas- not the best- but not the worst either- today they are pretty bad. I'm fairly sure you would be an interesting person to have a conversation with if you actually ever know what you were talking about. Harvey went downhill long before the CHA tore down Cabrini. It was already on life support in the 70's. Posen is still a predominantly Polish and Eastern European town and Blue Island is more white and Hispanic than it will ever be black. Chicago did NOT ship anyone anywhere. Many CHA residents DID move out to live with family and friends but they did not all settle in 3 towns. In any case, moving to a location of your own choosing is a far cry from being shipped out. But let's get into a semantics/pissing contest over it - should be fun, at least for you. Once again you demonstrate your extreme lack of understanding of a situation. Please stop, it's painful to watch you make such a fool of yourself. It's only the 17th of the month - have you run out of your meds already? Perhaps you can get some sort of gov't assistance for that - so long as you don't mind being treated like a criminal...

pahunkboy -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 6:34:46 AM)
Where in my posts did I mention any racial or ethic group? A neighborhood going bad - may or may not be any certain race/ethic. Furthermore if you consider the entire country- the totality there are more whites on welfare then any other group. Lets not put words in my mouth. And tearing down the project DID disperse the crime to the South/Southwest suburbs. edited for typos

Lucylastic -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 6:38:47 AM)
IF you want my resume, you will have to beg for it, but you can search my posts for helping homeless kids, DV and rape, and crisis intervention. Talk is cheap but talking to a brick wall wastes everyones time, and that goes to better things. Not all scum is living in a ghetto.

ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 6:39:36 AM)
Don't worry, cupcake, I would never want to be close enough to put ANYHTING in your mouth. Besides, it's not possible with both of your feet in the way. BTW: Harvey, Posen, and Blue Island are NOT considered by anyone (other than you) to be "southwest" suburbs. But since you obviously know how to use Google Maps and/or Mapquest, care to name a few other towns where Chicago shipped all "those people"? You're in way over your head on this one - I've spent my whole life in and around these towns.

pahunkboy -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 6:41:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic IF you want my resume, you will have to beg for it, but you can search my posts for helping homeless kids, DV and rape, and crisis intervention. Talk is cheap but talking to a brick wall wastes everyones time, and that goes to better things. Not all scum is living in a ghetto. We have a homeless shelter here. I volunteered many hours there. and you are correct- my brother lives in a pricey area where a dog barks all day and all night long.

pahunkboy -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 6:43:05 AM)
Well you certainly are not from Orland/Palos. LOL

Lucylastic -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 6:49:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic IF you want my resume, you will have to beg for it, but you can search my posts for helping homeless kids, DV and rape, and crisis intervention. Talk is cheap but talking to a brick wall wastes everyones time, and that goes to better things. Not all scum is living in a ghetto. We have a homeless shelter here. I volunteered many hours there. and you are correct- my brother lives in a pricey area where a dog barks all day and all night long. Oh I see the problem.... NM [sm=banghead.gif]

pahunkboy -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 7:13:00 AM)
Back on topic. I dont like Bloomberg- I do not like his many rules. I do think tho- that local places have the latitude to decide what works best for them. For instance- if new yorkers want this- then who am I to say- dont do it? Wether we like it or not- the world will be a very different place in 30-40 years. Protesting and letters, will do little to stall the "progress" On public housing- it is a mess. Lets not assume I never was on housing. In this area- they do a back ground check- it is pretty strict. One drug offense and you are gone- and yes- they enforce that. The trouble with public housing is- that there is no sense of ownership- the landlord- should do this- should do that. But a tenant never takes the initiative. I see it on the street I live on- a home owner will pick up trash on the street- I have only ever seen one tenant do this here. I sincerely hope the inner cities can find some solutions- because some of those folks come to my area. Thumb scans may or may not be a good idea- but consider tho- the govt- society does not owe anyone a place to live. Even in the private market- you are expected to hold your end of the bargain. There are those who embrace and rush this brave new world- and there are those of us who urge caution. Civility is declining- and to some extent Mayberry ways are not going to work anymore. People have rights- yes- but they do not have the right to harm others. Breaking and wrecking my shit- just because a person doesnt have their own shit- is not acceptable.

tj444 -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 7:53:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy The trouble with public housing is- that there is no sense of ownership- the landlord- should do this- should do that. But a tenant never takes the initiative. A good landlord does not want the tenant to "take the initiative".. I had a tenant that decided to do that & "fix" the fridge (it was an automatic defrost so just doing what it was supposed to).. he fixed it so the freezer didn't work.. it cost me $$ to fix his "fixing".. No, you don't want the tenant doing anything but telling you when there is a problem, what it is and you send a professional to fix it asap.. Picking up litter on the street is a social issue.. plenty of tenants do care about where they live and will pick up litter.. Honestly, this thread has made me think there needs to be a law requiring voters to pass an IQ test.. I can see now why so many idiots are elected and re-elected in politics.. Ah well,.. its your country.. go ahead and screw it up all you want.. enjoy..

pahunkboy -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 8:02:58 AM)
quote: its your country.. go ahead and screw it up all you want.. enjoy easy fix. Really. If I keep my yard tidy and talk to my neighbors- embrace them- then the whole block is cohesive. If everyone does this- we have a whole new world then we have now. I know most my neighbors by name- we help each other all the time. It really is not that hard. Some areas this will be harder- due to drugs, gangs and the disregard for life- those people are animals. This is why we have prisons. Society has to have some rules- we need law and order. I do not want anarcky- however I also do not want to be harassed in my own town. If I harm someone else- fine- but going about my day to day business- I do not want a techno-dictactorship. An example comes to mind- I do not have enough garbage to order service- as a result- I am allowed to use 2 of the neighbors bins. I wait to the last minute- as I never want to inconvenience them. If we go to an RFID system- I would be flagged for not having service. I also do not buy much that needs to be recycled- again I would be flagged.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 8:05:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy The trouble with public housing is- that there is no sense of ownership- the landlord- should do this- should do that. But a tenant never takes the initiative. Actually, that's not the trouble. The trouble with public housing is that it's public housing. The landlord is supposed to do this and that. But, the return on the landlord's investment is minimal - at best - so the minimum maintenance and upkeep is done. Not enough of the residents help the situation, but all of the issue isn't on them by any stretch. Shit happens everywhere. But, in most places, it gets taken care of instead of ignored. Not as often in public housing, though.

tj444 -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 8:26:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy easy fix. you (& all of America) are most definitely on your way to the "techno-dictactorship" you don't want.. and the Bloomberg proposal is one step forward in that..

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