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pahunkboy -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 8:33:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy easy fix. you (& all of America) are most definitely on your way to the "techno-dictactorship" you don't want.. and the Bloomberg proposal is one step forward in that.. I certainly agree with you.

hlen5 -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 3:31:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic cos he is a dick maybe DS? People live on less then a dollar a day in that project. They should be finger printed and filmed. Why?

pahunkboy -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 3:35:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic cos he is a dick maybe DS? People live on less then a dollar a day in that project. They should be finger printed and filmed. Why? It is the governments job to make laws- so that we do not have anarkcy. This is the role of governance.

thishereboi -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 5:11:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic cos he is a dick maybe DS? People live on less then a dollar a day in that project. They should be finger printed and filmed. Why? Actually if they are honestly able to live on less than a dollar a day, they should film it. With that kind of system even those making minimum wage would feel wealthy. [8D]

MrRodgers -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 6:57:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy I am generally against speed cameras, red light cameras, cameras the read license plates, etc but this seems as a reasoned response to a serious public safety issue. I also see no reason why it could not be employed in voting. Well we are talking about public housing which in America almost always mean shit housing thanx to the heavily subsidized owners, who...don't give a shit and are almost everywhere in violation of housing laws that go unenforced. So the political/investor class doesn't like the arrangement and couldn't really care less about those people except that the crime leaks outside. Tenants are politically and to law enforcement...second class citizens. So obviously these peoples' rights are either non-existent or enforcing them would take away from enforcing the law where the gentry lives. If one goes to housing that is essentially the same but non-public, you'll see few or no such security problems or attempts to fingerprint them. Gee...I wonder why ?

pahunkboy -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 7:08:05 PM)
quote: heavily subsidized owners When taxes and insurance factor in- those cost have to be reflected in the rents.

Real0ne -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 7:19:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic cos he is a dick maybe DS? People live on less then a dollar a day in that project. They should be finger printed and filmed. Why? It is the governments job to make laws- so that we do not have anarkcy. This is the role of governance. but thats in our best interests.,

pahunkboy -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 7:28:56 PM)
Recently there is a case where a cat solved a murder case. In the UK- cats go into some database. A car hair was found at the murder sceen which in part connected to the perp. Public housing residents are high risk for both murdering others and being murdered them self. Bloombrg should do it right- and get DNA from each and every tenant- and also their dogs. (to enforce the poop laws) In 30-40 years the world will be a different place- hence we need to manage the direction of the tech- rather then to hide our head in the sand.

MasterCaneman -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 7:40:09 PM)
I do not want to be in that world, then, and I will do anything within my power to stop it. Many of us in New York fear a Bloomberg governorship, on both sides of the aisle. Thumbprints are a slippery slope to retinal scans to RFIDs, and then the cessation of personal privacy. There are other ways to maintain access control to those housing units, it's just that a database of prints is more appealing to those in NYS government. And then are ways to circumvent them ranging from the gory to the insanely clever.

pahunkboy -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 7:44:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman I do not want to be in that world, then, and I will do anything within my power to stop it. Many of us in New York fear a Bloomberg governorship, on both sides of the aisle. Thumbprints are a slippery slope to retinal scans to RFIDs, and then the cessation of personal privacy. There are other ways to maintain access control to those housing units, it's just that a database of prints is more appealing to those in NYS government. And then are ways to circumvent them ranging from the gory to the insanely clever. He would make a terrible governor- no doubt. Consider tho that public housing is a mess and getting worse. New ideas have to be tried to assist those people. When the few harm the many who live there- this is not working- they need to be supervised- they are not like you and me- we are adults- they are folks who need to be managed. Sort of like a group home.

MrRodgers -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 8:51:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: heavily subsidized owners When taxes and insurance factor in- those cost have to be reflected in the rents. Well as an example, a friend had an apt at $1,000/mo plus elec. and gas. They covered the water and trash which is competitive because this was an area where tenants usually paid everything. He could only make $14/hr. which meant that over 1/2 of his net was rent & utilities. Recently they raised the rent to $1,100/mo. yet he still was limited to $14/hr. There was the more than occasional police presence, the usual high grass and un-removed garbage. Fact is these things are built for the subsidy ($300-$500/mo/per apt.) in addition to the $1,100 and after 20 years...they go condo. If you can hack it...fine. If not...get out. This is America so it's about money and crime...not housing for even the working poor let alone indigent.

MasterCaneman -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 8:52:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman I do not want to be in that world, then, and I will do anything within my power to stop it. Many of us in New York fear a Bloomberg governorship, on both sides of the aisle. Thumbprints are a slippery slope to retinal scans to RFIDs, and then the cessation of personal privacy. There are other ways to maintain access control to those housing units, it's just that a database of prints is more appealing to those in NYS government. And then are ways to circumvent them ranging from the gory to the insanely clever. He would make a terrible governor- no doubt. Consider tho that public housing is a mess and getting worse. New ideas have to be tried to assist those people. When the few harm the many who live there- this is not working- they need to be supervised- they are not like you and me- we are adults- they are folks who need to be managed. Sort of like a group home. You can't do a "those people" stance on this. Yes, there are probably many who fall into the "overgrown child" category, but if that's their choice, they still have the right to be an idiot. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness and all that entails. And thumbprints won't work-there are already ways around that now. The idea is purposely intended to fail in order to justify what is really desired-retinal scans/RFID technology. He's running this as a pure test to see what the response is, that's all. If it does fly-well, him and NYS now have another database to run, and since the technology can be rendered invalid already, there will be precedent in place to advance to the next step.

pahunkboy -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 9:01:01 PM)
quote: He's running this as a pure test to see what the response is Yes- that is how it is done.

FrostedFlake -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 9:47:32 PM)
Did Mayor Boolmberg really say that? That gives pause. THIS says he was born in Boston and went to Harvard. So he has no excuse for misunderstanding the local legal culture. It also says he is Jewish. So he has definitely heard of the Nazis and their methods. Has the country changed this much?

Real0ne -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/17/2013 9:59:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: heavily subsidized owners When taxes and insurance factor in- those cost have to be reflected in the rents. Well as an example, a friend had an apt at $1,000/mo plus elec. and gas. They covered the water and trash which is competitive because this was an area where tenants usually paid everything. He could only make $14/hr. which meant that over 1/2 of his net was rent & utilities. Recently they raised the rent to $1,100/mo. yet he still was limited to $14/hr. There was the more than occasional police presence, the usual high grass and un-removed garbage. Fact is these things are built for the subsidy ($300-$500/mo/per apt.) in addition to the $1,100 and after 20 years...they go condo. If you can hack it...fine. If not...get out. This is America so it's about money and crime...not housing for even the working poor let alone indigent. crime is BIG business! Top 5 Secrets of the Private Prison Industry best RICO going right now! where is the incentive to "reduce" crime when there is so much money for everyone to make? Seems to me printing and chipping not only them but "EVERYONE" would be very very profitable! I wonder if the private prison industry has any influence over this?

Edwynn -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/20/2013 2:45:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic cos he is a dick maybe DS? People live on less then a dollar a day in that project. They should be finger printed and filmed. You've got it so backwards. It's the people who make $20 million dollar bonuses for their efforts in fraud and wrecking the economy and putting millions out of home and job who should be finger printed and microchipped and biometrically scanned and 'profiled' in every way, on their way to 30 years in prison. Right now. The fact that they are NOT in prison, and not put there soon enough, is the reason that there are millions more living off of a dollar a day now than before those hooligans came along. As for the rest of you who have been screaming and championing their cause all the while, I might go lightly and just recommend mandatory microchipping and judicious but plentiful use of duct tape to mouth.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Bloomberg, Thumb Prints and Public Housing... (8/20/2013 2:51:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy Hmmmmm.... Maybe the guy is on to something. In fact... it might not only make Public Housing safer, it might be the answer to voter ID issues. Bloomberg’s Public Housing Fingerprinting Idea Stuns, Infuriates Residents Damn. Bloomberg can't cut a break! Why can't everyone just look at him and his policies and love him like the Big Brother they never knew they needed... [8D] One needs to remember that Bloomberg is a R.I.N.O. He registered Republican (I think it was 18 months before the primary) specifically to run for Mayor of NYC. Previous to that, he was a Democrat. He always was a Democrat and is merely a wolf, in sheep's clothing. He's damaging the Republican party because there are ignoramouses out there that believe he is a "typical" Republican with his No Big Sodas and his equally assinine, over-reaching, cradle-to-grave bullshit. He's a piece of shit.

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