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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Taz,

While I agree that some of the things on this policy statement are not lies - it is equally ridiculous and EQUALLY egregious for you not to admit that the president and his administration have lied, and lied repeatedly.



I mean - remember he declared benghazi was a spontaneous mob due to an idiot filmaker AFTER watching hours of reconnaisance footage and NSA intercepts - including one where the local an-war al-sera claimed responsibility -ie., knowing that it wasn't.

He decared that the irs scandal only involved a few local cincinatti agents - knowing it wasnt.

More than three lies on the NSA scandals.

And its way more than 250. I don't have the time to do the research for you. But are you fair minded enough to admit that Obama has been a serial liar?

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Taz,

While I agree that some of the things on this policy statement are not lies - it is equally ridiculous and EQUALLY egregious for you not to admit that the president and his administration have lied, and lied repeatedly.



I mean - remember he declared benghazi was a spontaneous mob due to an idiot filmaker AFTER watching hours of reconnaisance footage and NSA intercepts - including one where the local an-war al-sera claimed responsibility -ie., knowing that it wasn't.

He decared that the irs scandal only involved a few local cincinatti agents - knowing it wasnt.

More than three lies on the NSA scandals.

And its way more than 250. I don't have the time to do the research for you. But are you fair minded enough to admit that Obama has been a serial liar?

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: BislaveHaylee

Okay... let's say he's not a liar. So he's just a shitty president that is incapable of leading this country... K.

I'll buy that.
The only problem is that the only alternative we had last fall was shittier.

Was he- its becoming harder and harder to make that argument with a straight face.

Fact is - disastrous foreign policy.
Fact is - economic recovery that is stilly shy roughly 16 million jobs.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: BislaveHaylee

Okay... let's say he's not a liar. So he's just a shitty president that is incapable of leading this country... K.

I'll buy that.
The only problem is that the only alternative we had last fall was shittier.

Was he- its becoming harder and harder to make that argument with a straight face.

Fact is - disastrous foreign policy.
Fact is - economic recovery that is stilly shy roughly 16 million jobs.

Let me answer your question with a popular joke.

A democrat, A republican A libertarian and a greenie walk into a bar.

The bartender said "What'll you have Mr Romney?" (yes, I know Mormons don't drink)
The man never defined who he was.
He seemed to have no enthusiasm for the job he was applying for (An election process is like a job interview IMO)
If you interview someone for a job and their attitude is like "yeah, if you hire me, I'll do it" and they keep changing their answers to your questions, would you hire him or her?
Better the devil you know and all that.
The R side had 6 years to plan, they had a Billion dollars to spend, they had the most ineffective president in over a generation to run against, they had a bad economy and an angry populace and they fucked up and somehow managed to lose.

The kicker is that they don't even act like they realize they lost. They're right now passing 'Election ID laws" because their attitude is "We didn't lose, the other guys musta cheated".

Now, with another election coming up, what are they doing?
Are they learning?
Are they paying attention to the American public and doing what Republicans are supposed to do and get off the back of law abiding citizens and cut spending?

No, they're spending a third of their time making 'gestures' by proposing unpassable legislation.
They're spending a third if their time sucking the cocks of their corporate masters.
They're spending the other third of their time cutting each other's throats for transgressions real and imagined.

Bottom line, the dumbasses are gonna lose again because they just don't get it and the Dems are going to drag the country farther to the left because they can.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Taz,

While I agree that some of the things on this policy statement are not lies - it is equally ridiculous and EQUALLY egregious for you not to admit that the president and his administration have lied, and lied repeatedly.



I mean - remember he declared benghazi was a spontaneous mob due to an idiot filmaker AFTER watching hours of reconnaisance footage and NSA intercepts - including one where the local an-war al-sera claimed responsibility -ie., knowing that it wasn't.

He decared that the irs scandal only involved a few local cincinatti agents - knowing it wasnt.

More than three lies on the NSA scandals.

And its way more than 250. I don't have the time to do the research for you. But are you fair minded enough to admit that Obama has been a serial liar?

Can you show me where I ever said he didnt lie?

Let me answer that for you... no.

All politicians lie... comes along with them moving their lips.

I believe its extremely naive for anyone to believe they dont.

As far as the serial bit...

Lets see....

45% kept.
22% broken
25% compromise
1% stalled
5% in the works
2% not yet rated

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

Define that how you wish. But dont attempt to drag me into the mud with you.

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But in case fact mean anything to you - take a look at the CRS report on Obamacare - which documents that - even excludig areas of republican obstruction, that the administration has succeeded in less than half the tasks mandated by their own law.

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You make a presumption that a bad candidate is the reason republicans lost.
Is it not at least possible, do you think, that the electoral process is now so rigged that it might be impossible for any republican candidate to win?

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Politifact is a known democrat front organization. Quoting them is like quoting the president directly. I have said nothing to be "in the mud".

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

6 out of the last 12 elections, California voted Republican. Bush won both elections despite losing California.