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DesideriScuri -> RE: Bored in Oklahoma (8/23/2013 5:53:00 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Zonie63
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Nick, you've almost got it.
Liberals decide who's a racist and who isn't based upon some moving goalposts that they position based upon how weak their own position is.
I've seen the same thing, although I think that within any ideology, there's going to be those who don't argue very well and come up with convoluted arguments. Every faction seems to have a few intellectuals and thinkers, as well as followers who aren't very bright and can't express themselves very well, thus bringing embarrassment and discredit to their position. Liberals are no exception. Of course, conservatives also have those who don't argue very well and come up with convoluted arguments, so they're the ones the liberals will pick on the most.
Each side seems to attack the other at their weakest point. While this might win points in a debate, I don't know that it offers any clarity to the argument or faithfully expresses the other side's position. I think this is a human failing, not inherent to any particular ideology, but I generally prefer to judge an ideology by its best arguments, not its worst. If the best conservative arguments are matched against the worst liberal arguments, then the conservatives look good. If the best liberal arguments are matched against the worst conservative arguments, then the liberals look good.
I don't know that the double standards are necessarily a part of the liberal position as such, but it's just something that people in general are inclined to do no matter what position they hold. I don't believe that it's a proper liberal or conservative position to accuse somebody of wrongdoing without evidence, and yet, both sides seem to do it all the time. Likewise, it's equally improper to move the goalposts or embrace double standards.
However, in terms of practical politics, I can sort of understand how these double standards come about, given our rather lopsided and ugly history in this country regarding race relations. I don't really see it as liberals being intentionally unfair or illogical (although that's likely the case with many), but it may be a sign that there is still a profound mistrust and deep-seated resentments within society that aren't going away any time soon. I read it as large segments of the population have not been adequately reassured that their rights will be honored and protected, and because of this, they might feel the need to overcompensate and be a bit more guarded, perhaps erring on the side of caution. Trouble is, when this mentality is applied in the context of our rather twisted and amoral popular culture which glorifies violence and criminality, bad things happen.
I do fault both liberals and conservatives who seem a bit too ideologically fossilized. But again, I think that's a human failing common to all factions and schools of thought.
What's with this calm and rational style, Zonie?!?!? This is P&R, dammit!!
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