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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/22/2013 9:55:05 PM   
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You could say it is societies fault, cause we don't teach them any better.

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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/22/2013 10:47:22 PM   
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And? I think 90% of white people are nasty too.

Really?


lol... I dont like 90% of the people I come across... doesnt matter what race... surprised?


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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/22/2013 11:20:05 PM   
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And? I think 90% of white people are nasty too.


More than anything, most white people I come across in forums around the internet appear to have a liberal mindset where they have a supportive attitude towards people from minority groups.

If I could read other languages and peep into political discussions from other races around the world, would there be as much support and concern for minority races in their societies?

Is there a "political correctness" in say Asian, middle eastern, and African societies where there are many people fighting for the ones from minority races to have equal representation in important positions in society or fighting against their police having bias against people from minority races?

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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/22/2013 11:21:41 PM   
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And? I think 90% of white people are nasty too.

Really?

not one little bit

lol... I dont like 90% of the people I come across... doesnt matter what race... surprised?




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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/22/2013 11:48:32 PM   
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Doesnt surprise me that you are still having problems with the quote feature.

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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/22/2013 11:57:32 PM   
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Here they are claiming racism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg3z0zaT7xA

Even though there is no evidence whatsoever that this white cop is racist.

Then we have this situation.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/21/black-teen-who-murdered-australian-jogger-posted-racist-tweets/

The liberals are mostly silent over this. Even that there is actual evidence that this kid is racist unlike zero evidence in the other story.




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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/23/2013 12:27:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Posting a racist tweet doesnt make this killing a racist act... or a hate crime.

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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/23/2013 12:54:16 AM   
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Posting a racist tweet doesnt make this killing a racist act... or a hate crime.


Neither does a white cop shooting a black man as cited in the link above.

The point is that the former deserves more suspicion than the latter. But when it comes to observing liberal logic, it's easy to point out the double standard.

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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/23/2013 1:19:22 AM   
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Here they are claiming racism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg3z0zaT7xA

Even though there is no evidence whatsoever that this white cop is racist.


A 60 year old man is in the drive way, grabbing smokes from his car. Cops pull up and shoot him. Thankfully, the man didnt die. This should be interesting.

I can see the racist angle in that scenario. Maybe its because you dont like in the good ole US of A that you cannot. The shooting wasnt racially motivated, in that the man was not shot just because he was black. He was treated as a criminal because he was black. There is a difference.



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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/23/2013 1:31:00 AM   
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Liberals decide who's a racist and who isn't based upon some moving goalposts that they position based upon how weak their own position is.

I mean, this kid with his racist tweets isn't a racist but a guy that spends his free time helping his neighbors (some of whom are black) is a racist because he's a "white" hispanic.






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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/23/2013 1:39:18 AM   
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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/23/2013 1:51:52 AM   
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A 60 year old man is in the drive way, grabbing smokes from his car.


And the white victim was just going for a jog.

Your point is?

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Cops pull up and shoot him.


How would you like to be a cop at 2am in the morning and having to deal with a stranger you don't know one little bit about? They ordered the man to put his hands up where they could see them, BUT instead he spun around to face them.

That wouldn't shock you as a cop?

If I was a cop standing there at 2 am and this guy spins around on me after that, I think my fingers would be twitchy also, regardless what skin colour this guy is.

All this cop knew is a strange man messing around in a car at 2am in the morning.

I don't see any racism in this.

But again, I find it highly laughable how you and other liberals claim there is racism in this, even that there is not one tiny winy bit of evidence that this cop is racist and then be in total denial of the other incident where it's proven that this black kid is racist.

You have to be blind freddy if you can't see the massive imbalance in your mindset.

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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/23/2013 1:54:30 AM   
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And the white victim was just going for a jog.

Your point is?


Two different scenarios... nothing alike in either. Your comparison is ridiculous.

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How would you like to be a cop at 2am in the morning and having to deal with a stranger you don't know one little bit about? They ordered the man to put his hands up where they could see them, BUT instead he spun around to face them.

That wouldn't shock you as a cop?

If I was a cop standing there at 2 am and this guy spins around on me after that, I think my fingers would be twitchy also, regardless what skin colour this guy is.


What part of me saying... the shooting wasnt racially motivated.. didnt you get?

What was racially motivated was the call to the police. What was racially motivated was the assumption that a man on his own property, reaching into his own car, was a thief.

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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/23/2013 1:55:13 AM   
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Liberals decide who's a racist and who isn't based upon some moving goalposts that they position based upon how weak their own position is.


Well said, I've been observing their flip flopping for years. I'm an Aussie, at least the people on the left here aren't as bad but it's slowly getting that way. When looking at the American left, it shocks me.

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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/23/2013 5:34:09 AM   
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Nick, you've almost got it.

Liberals decide who's a racist and who isn't based upon some moving goalposts that they position based upon how weak their own position is.



I've seen the same thing, although I think that within any ideology, there's going to be those who don't argue very well and come up with convoluted arguments. Every faction seems to have a few intellectuals and thinkers, as well as followers who aren't very bright and can't express themselves very well, thus bringing embarrassment and discredit to their position. Liberals are no exception. Of course, conservatives also have those who don't argue very well and come up with convoluted arguments, so they're the ones the liberals will pick on the most.

Each side seems to attack the other at their weakest point. While this might win points in a debate, I don't know that it offers any clarity to the argument or faithfully expresses the other side's position. I think this is a human failing, not inherent to any particular ideology, but I generally prefer to judge an ideology by its best arguments, not its worst. If the best conservative arguments are matched against the worst liberal arguments, then the conservatives look good. If the best liberal arguments are matched against the worst conservative arguments, then the liberals look good.

I don't know that the double standards are necessarily a part of the liberal position as such, but it's just something that people in general are inclined to do no matter what position they hold. I don't believe that it's a proper liberal or conservative position to accuse somebody of wrongdoing without evidence, and yet, both sides seem to do it all the time. Likewise, it's equally improper to move the goalposts or embrace double standards.

However, in terms of practical politics, I can sort of understand how these double standards come about, given our rather lopsided and ugly history in this country regarding race relations. I don't really see it as liberals being intentionally unfair or illogical (although that's likely the case with many), but it may be a sign that there is still a profound mistrust and deep-seated resentments within society that aren't going away any time soon. I read it as large segments of the population have not been adequately reassured that their rights will be honored and protected, and because of this, they might feel the need to overcompensate and be a bit more guarded, perhaps erring on the side of caution. Trouble is, when this mentality is applied in the context of our rather twisted and amoral popular culture which glorifies violence and criminality, bad things happen.

I do fault both liberals and conservatives who seem a bit too ideologically fossilized. But again, I think that's a human failing common to all factions and schools of thought.





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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/23/2013 5:53:00 AM   
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Nick, you've almost got it.
Liberals decide who's a racist and who isn't based upon some moving goalposts that they position based upon how weak their own position is.

I've seen the same thing, although I think that within any ideology, there's going to be those who don't argue very well and come up with convoluted arguments. Every faction seems to have a few intellectuals and thinkers, as well as followers who aren't very bright and can't express themselves very well, thus bringing embarrassment and discredit to their position. Liberals are no exception. Of course, conservatives also have those who don't argue very well and come up with convoluted arguments, so they're the ones the liberals will pick on the most.
Each side seems to attack the other at their weakest point. While this might win points in a debate, I don't know that it offers any clarity to the argument or faithfully expresses the other side's position. I think this is a human failing, not inherent to any particular ideology, but I generally prefer to judge an ideology by its best arguments, not its worst. If the best conservative arguments are matched against the worst liberal arguments, then the conservatives look good. If the best liberal arguments are matched against the worst conservative arguments, then the liberals look good.
I don't know that the double standards are necessarily a part of the liberal position as such, but it's just something that people in general are inclined to do no matter what position they hold. I don't believe that it's a proper liberal or conservative position to accuse somebody of wrongdoing without evidence, and yet, both sides seem to do it all the time. Likewise, it's equally improper to move the goalposts or embrace double standards.
However, in terms of practical politics, I can sort of understand how these double standards come about, given our rather lopsided and ugly history in this country regarding race relations. I don't really see it as liberals being intentionally unfair or illogical (although that's likely the case with many), but it may be a sign that there is still a profound mistrust and deep-seated resentments within society that aren't going away any time soon. I read it as large segments of the population have not been adequately reassured that their rights will be honored and protected, and because of this, they might feel the need to overcompensate and be a bit more guarded, perhaps erring on the side of caution. Trouble is, when this mentality is applied in the context of our rather twisted and amoral popular culture which glorifies violence and criminality, bad things happen.
I do fault both liberals and conservatives who seem a bit too ideologically fossilized. But again, I think that's a human failing common to all factions and schools of thought.


What's with this calm and rational style, Zonie?!?!? This is P&R, dammit!!




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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/23/2013 7:22:24 AM   
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When looking at the American left, it shocks me.

You should try living within close proximity. Nothing makes me feel like I need a shower more than coming in contact with a left-wing activist.

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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/23/2013 10:21:01 AM   
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Posting a racist tweet doesnt make this killing a racist act... or a hate crime.

I never said it was a hate crime.
I said it may have been racially motivated.
The tweets clearly indicate his hatred of white people and that his target of choice would be a white person.
There is no chance of them being charged with a hate crime, the victim was white.

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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/23/2013 10:50:54 AM   
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What's with this calm and rational style, Zonie?!?!? This is P&R, dammit!!





Oh I know, and I've been known to mix it up at times. Perhaps over years of posting to different forums for the past 15+ years, I guess I've gotten a thick skin.

One thing I've learned over the years is that, if you stick to the issues and stick to your principles (and are reasonably confident that your methods of argumentation and level of knowledge are sound), it's easier to worry less about what the other guy might say. Even if I do get outraged and even quite upset (such as in the case of this incident), I still try to remember who I'm mad at. Nobody here did this, so I can't be mad at anyone here, not over this.


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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/23/2013 11:39:37 AM   
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What's with this calm and rational style, Zonie?!?!? This is P&R, dammit!!

Oh I know, and I've been known to mix it up at times. Perhaps over years of posting to different forums for the past 15+ years, I guess I've gotten a thick skin.
One thing I've learned over the years is that, if you stick to the issues and stick to your principles (and are reasonably confident that your methods of argumentation and level of knowledge are sound), it's easier to worry less about what the other guy might say. Even if I do get outraged and even quite upset (such as in the case of this incident), I still try to remember who I'm mad at. Nobody here did this, so I can't be mad at anyone here, not over this.


Bah. Just more rationality and calmness. If you aren't going to play like the rest of the posters, you might get kicked out of the sandbox.




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