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slavejali -> Past Lives (6/29/2006 7:54:33 PM)

I started this thread as an offshoot to LaTigresses dream one a couple of people mentioned about past lives..so here goes:

What do you feel about past lives? Have you had any experiences that would have you believe we have lived before in another time and place? If you believe in past lives..what do you base that belief on..and how do you think it fits into the grand scheme of things?

If you have had any experiences please share, I've had enough I could write a book on it...what's yours though?



FangsNfeet -> RE: Past Lives (6/29/2006 8:02:45 PM)

I think having a Past Life is an act of the imagination for people to try and escape reality making themselves feel more important. Some people find themselves displaced in todays society and look to the past to find who they are or where they think they belong. Many of us like to belive that we are immortal with a long past of accomplishments and a brighter future to look forward to in the next life.



slavejali -> RE: Past Lives (6/29/2006 8:04:51 PM)

That's a fair enough comment, its true, people do try to live through fantasies rather than face the reality of everyday living.



Saint -> RE: Past Lives (6/29/2006 8:21:50 PM)

Have had several experiences actually. A reoccuring dream Ive had over the years is one in which Im standing in the front ranks of an ancient army. I look to the left and to the right, and as far as I can see are men in armour. I can feel the sun beating down on my face, the sweat dripping down the inside of my tunic as I stand there clutching my halberd, and the tension in the air as we wait. Then without warning as I look up, I see a flight of arrows in the sky raining down on us and I feel the impact as two hit me. One in the chest and the other in the neck. At that point, everything slows down as I feel the arrowheads slicing into me, carving through bone and muscle, cutting me, killing me.

When I wake up from that, Im usually in a cold sweat, the area directly in the center of my chest is in pain, the flesh under my chin and on the left side of my neck is in agony and I cant get back to sleep for the rest of the night.

Ive had that dream probably two dozen times in my lifetime. I practice a lot of lucid dreaming and self hypnosis and I can certainly testify to the fact that this dream is a lot more vivid and real then my normal dreams.

There are other dreams Ive had that have actually taught me skills and given me wonderful insights about things.

But yes, I believe in past lives. What do I base that upon? I base that on my own experiences and the things I have learned from them.



litleone8620 -> RE: Past Lives (6/29/2006 8:30:02 PM)

I was doing research about night terrors (don't worry, this will be about past lives....eventually). I was curious about them since i'd had night terrors as a child. My mom told me this, since you don't remember them in the morning.

I guess i would wake up, sitting straight in my bed, screaming. My mom said she had never seen such a look of terror on a person's face as she had on mine. I guess i was screaming about a woman trying to kill me.

Anyway, there's a theory that a person who has night terrors is reliving the way they died in a past life. It makes sense to me.

Like a person who drowned in a past life would be deathly afraid of water.

Yes, i believe in past lives. I think believing in past lives goes hand in hand with a person's beliefs on the after life. Like if a person doesn't think there's an after life, i doubt they believe in past lives.



slavejali -> RE: Past Lives (6/29/2006 8:38:38 PM)

Thanks for sharing Saint. Like I shared in the other thread, I've had really intense dreaming times, so incredibly vivid. They go from things tht seem to be based on past lives and experiences, to just talking to someone here and now, maybe helping out with a problem or whatever, I may have met or not met that person in everyday life.

It is a bit hard to refute something, once you have actually had the experience....but I know Ive asked myself the question " How does it all fit?"




slavejali -> RE: Past Lives (6/29/2006 8:43:41 PM)

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Like a person who drowned in a past life would be deathly afraid of water.
 
That's an interesting comment littleone. Where do all these strange phobia's come from? Most of the time the person with the phobia cannot give any sane logical reason for it. Example" Master is terrified of snakes, literally. He has had no bad experiences, there is nothing to justify this fear but they send terror into him. You might be onto something there [:)]



mistoferin -> RE: Past Lives (6/29/2006 8:48:33 PM)

When my oldest was a baby he was always more articulate than he should have been for his age (actually both of my boys were like this). He talked fluidly and understandably at about 8 months old. At his first birthday he declared that the icing on the cake was superb. People were always amazed by him.

My mother used to call him an "old soul". When he was three years old my mom asked him who he used to be. We were astounded when he made up this elaborate story. He told us what his name used to be and that he wore clothes likes dresses and wore sandals. He said that he had a wife and two girl children. He said that he made things from clay for people. We used to laugh about the story and we would ask him to repeat it for company....and the story was always the same.

He's nearly 30 now and a few years ago my mother called me at work. She was watching something on Discovery and nearly fell off the couch when they began profiling the life of an ancient potter of the same name that my son claimed was his.



brightspot -> RE: Past Lives (6/29/2006 8:54:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

I think having a Past Life is an act of the imagination for people to try and escape reality making themselves feel more important. Some people find themselves displaced in todays society and look to the past to find who they are or where they think they belong. Many of us like to belive that we are immortal with a long past of accomplishments and a brighter future to look forward to in the next life.


For myself past life remembrance(besides dreaming or awake memory flashes) makes sense of a lot of things to me like explaining very young short people knowing an instrument as if it were a part of them. Or being really knowledgable about things that just arent usually there in a short person's mind.
There have been instances where short people when very young remember and speak of things from a direct past life incident. My son did this occasionally.
 
*Brightspot 



slavejali -> RE: Past Lives (6/29/2006 8:58:51 PM)

Wow that's amazing mistoferin! I can just imagine your mom's reaction when she heard that.

Iv'e gotta kinda similar story (non dream).

I took a shower with my 3 year old daughter. We get out and are standing in front of the mirror doing our hair and stuff. She says to me "We can't go outside like this" I look at her and say "Why not?" She replies " They will throw rocks at us". At this stage I'm wondering how to handle this conversation...before I say anything more she continues " When we used to live in another place and we looked different and our house was different they would throw rocks at people."



Wulfchyld -> RE: Past Lives (6/29/2006 9:09:19 PM)

Jali I am very pleased that you started this thread, thank you.
 
I began to study past life experience a few years ago when I got crippled up and needed to exorcise my brain or get too depressed to function. I began to study this because I was confounded by my ability to do just about everything. Any craft, hobby, or skill I seem to have a natural knowledge for. The only thing that I did not have a natural affinity for was new tech. Through diligent study I can pick it up rather quickly. I could go on for pages about this but I will summarize with the only way I found that could explain this phenomena was past life knowledge being drawn into the current life.
 
 http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/r/reincarnation.html
 
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0103dr.asp
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/foreverquest/
 
 http://sociologyesoscience.com/esoterica/cbooks1.html



mistoferin -> RE: Past Lives (6/29/2006 9:10:23 PM)

I think sometimes children are more intune. I've always had a belief that our lives here are a progression. That we somehow have certain things that we have to learn...certain lessons. I believe that there is an eternal life and that there is a God...but I think that we don't get to go there until we reach some sort of level. I also believe that we have a say in what our life will be...before we live it. I think that we tailor it somehow to learn the things we are still lacking. When this life here is complete, I believe that we have a time of reflection...to go over and scrutinize what we have done, what we have learned...and what we still need to learn. I don't really know where any of this comes from because I grew up having Catholocism shoved down my throat...and these are certainly not Catholic beliefs...but I have had these thoughts ever since I myself was a small child.



slavejali -> RE: Past Lives (6/29/2006 9:15:42 PM)

I was watching a show years ago on re-incarnation. There were christians on it saying there is no such thing. They said there is nothing in the bible which says there are any past lives. At the very end a Jewish rabbi stood up and said "Well actually there is...this word in hebrew or whatever language it was originally written in refers to re-incarnation" (Cant remember the word but apparently its in the old testament somewhere.)



Wulfchyld -> RE: Past Lives (6/29/2006 9:20:03 PM)

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Jesus supposed to be reborn?



brightspot -> RE: Past Lives (6/29/2006 9:38:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slavejali

I was watching a show years ago on re-incarnation. There were christians on it saying there is no such thing. They said there is nothing in the bible which says there are any past lives. At the very end a Jewish rabbi stood up and said "Well actually there is...this word in hebrew or whatever language it was originally written in refers to re-incarnation" (Cant remember the word but apparently its in the old testament somewhere.)

 
The Roman Catholic's deliberately left out many writings that originally were to be included in the Bible, take for instance the Gnogstic Gospels.
http://www.gnosis.org/library/marygosp.htm
 
*Brightspot



Vendaval -> RE: Past Lives (6/29/2006 9:52:29 PM)

Where to start?  I have had spontaneous past-life regressions while
awake, in dreams, and during hypnosis sessions.  I have seen family
members and friends in many of these memories.  I remember battles
won and lost, friends and lovers who lived and died by my side. 
I remember times of loss and sadness, times of joy and rejoicing.
And I remember to be patient and still and wait for the answers to
come to me in meditation and prayer.
 
Blessed Be,
 
Vendaval
 



meatcleaver -> RE: Past Lives (6/29/2006 11:34:05 PM)

There is some ongoing serious research into genetic memory. This was prompted by people with transplants having memories and showing preferences of those of organ donors.

I tried googling but can't find anything but there was a serious documentry on the BBC and the research was being done by a leading university from what I remember. Past lives of ones ancestors were discussed but by its nature, there is little hard evidence to prove genentic memory really exists as yet and maybe there never will be.

The one thing that makes me sceptical about past lives is that no one seems to cross cultures. From what I have seen is that people who have been regressed, could have been having memories of their ancestors. This was also pointed out in the documentry. The professor who was in charge of the research into genetic memory was sceptical of regression but having witnessed it and tried it himself was more ready to accept something genuine was happening with the memory. However, this just seemed to fuel in his belief that genetic memory might well be the source of these memories.



OedipusRexIt -> RE: Past Lives (6/29/2006 11:36:59 PM)

I believe in the possibility of past lives, although sadly I have no direct experience.  Certainly I believe in karma, and have experience in that in my own life.

The karmic wheel turns... for me just slowly enough to perceive it exists, but not so slowly that I've been able to discern individual spokes. 

Yet.



Rule -> RE: Past Lives (6/29/2006 11:42:14 PM)

When I was nine year old, I woke up early in the morning in the hospital (long story) and took note of the fact that I was still alive. Withing minutes, though - to my infinite despair - I realized the awful truth: I was dead, but anomalously my body was still functioning. (Much later I would realize that some parts of my physiology do not function, though.)
I had died and become a new person, truly reborn. As a result I have unique acquired abilities. During the past ten years I have discovered a handful of other people throughout history that have had similar experiences and the same unique ability. My conclusion is that we are identical, manifestations of the same primal entity. Remarkably, one had a close contemporary whose life paralleled his.
Even when I die the true death, someone, somewhere will die like I and my predecessors have died and be reborn and acquire our unique ability. We are eternal.
 
I do not have memories of past lives. I do remember being a baby and breastfeeding, but as far as I am aware, I was born as a blank slate.
 
Mythology is very clear that we reincarnate.
 
This is a matrix universe. Everything in it is programming. Sometimes programming is deleted, but most often it is reused. Why delete something that may be reused? That would be wasteful. The universe does not waste. Everything is reused and recycled.
Having said that, I know that human minds consist of three parts at least. It may be that those parts are not reincarnated in the same combination, though supposedly many of them will be.
 
This is also a universe of snakes and ladders, I believe. Eastern religions and especially buddhism confirm this. How we behave in this life strongly influences our reincarnation in a next life. This makes sense.
 
quote:

ORIGINAL: Wulfchyld
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Jesus supposed to be reborn?

Baptism is a ritual of rebirth without evil.
But yes: Jesus died on the cross and lived again. This witnessed 'rebirth' confirmed his divine nature, most especially his identity with the Creator who was the first god to be reborn.



mons -> RE: Past Lives (6/30/2006 3:01:19 AM)

slavejali greeting
 
I believe in past lives my twin and i can tell what your life was. I had to stop shaking peoples hands i would feel all of the things they did in the past lives. I shook one man hand and i almost fainted he was bad somewhere in his life, I dream i was in 18 century france i was dancing in a room ligthed by candle i was doing the wazt i was never a slave i had many past lives in egpt i was in a tomd i was to be burie with the king i had to wake up or i was going to be trapped there. I have many vision of things that come true, i saw the body of someone i told only my fmaily and they found them right where i said. we both were born with a thing called a veil on our faces in black cluture that is a sign that we would always be haunted or follow by many different things am jali we had so man thing happen it was scary. I stilll see things and hear many things i learn to live with it and this has been going on since i was a child my twin had a ghost  she would talk to we were awake i would never look but sshe would talk to this person all of the time . that is true my twin and i my mother would put a glass of water so no spirits would come and bother us
 
thanks for letting me tell this
mons



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