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slavejali -> RE: Past Lives (6/30/2006 3:11:11 AM)

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Original: meatcleaver
This was prompted by people with transplants having memories and showing preferences of those of organ donors.


I've heard about that too. It doesnt seem beyond the realm of possibility to me. I think everything we touch we leave an imprint of ourselves behind. Simple Example: When I'm feeling fantastic anything I cook has that special something, if I'm feeling yucky, it's not quite up to scratch (it can be tasted). Lucky I don't feel yucky very often. ...so anyways...if that can happen to the things we touch and do...I could just imagine the energy our organs are holding and would be passed onto the recipients.


oh Ive got another example....

So when Master came from the USA,, he brought some gifts for me from a slave whose place he was staying at while he was getting ready to come, she made some bracelets for me. So anyways, I put the bracelets on. The next thing you know, Ive got this compulsive urge to crochet. Now, I havent crocheted in years and years (like 25 years), the thought has never crossed my mind...but whoa...

So anyways, finally I realised...whoa that slave is a mad crocheter, I put her bracelets on and now I'm madly crocheting...suddenly it all made sense. True story..beleive it or not *grin*

I dont see how that kinda thing fits with past lives though, cuz I have experienced things that arent in my family history..like that america thing I described in the other thread.



slavejali -> RE: Past Lives (6/30/2006 3:19:08 AM)

 
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Original: Rule
When I was nine year old, ......I had died ...

 
I died when I was a kid too. I don't know if I can attribute that to anything that has occurred since. It did however make me understand that death of the body isn't the end.



slavejali -> RE: Past Lives (6/30/2006 3:27:22 AM)

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Original: mons
I believe in past lives my twin and i can tell what your life was. I had to stop shaking peoples hands i would feel all of the things they did in the past lives.

 
Sometimes I get flashes of people in a different time and place. Example: Once I was traveling with some friends, we were playing pool, they were all standing around the pool table, suddenly I saw them all in nazi uniforms...i had to blink. That kinda thing doesnt happen very often though. However, I am very sensitive to energy and it used to effect me but as Ive got older Ive learnt to process it without it causing concerns etc.



RavenMuse -> RE: Past Lives (6/30/2006 4:23:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slavejali
What do you feel about past lives?


Ooooh dear... now this could get long! [:D] *Fetches a coffee before he begins*

Ok, usual disclamers apply. I don't much care what others see it as, not saying they are wrong, this is just how the multiverse works from where *I* see it... end of disclamers.

To me there are three parts to a person.
1: The lump of meat we walk around inside. My body, a possession, a tool, the first thing many people see when they meet me. It is not me, just mine and once I kick the bucket it will return to being just a part of the food chain.

2. My spirit, the link between me and the divine, the spark of eternal. Again it is not me, just part of what makes me who I am. When I cease to be it will either take another turn on the wheel as it has done many times before, or step off finaly, reach nirvana, naff off and get drunk in the halls of valhala or whatever lable or metaphor you want to use for it returning to source and rejoining the divine rather than continuing to travel from lifetime to lifetime.

3. Me, my personality, my experiences, my thoughts, my memorys. The essential *I*. The part of me I refer to when I state "*I* believe.....".

This is where things get complicated. When I pass on *I* do not compleatly cease to be. Each and every one of us has made our mark on the collective subconsious. The Kabbalah defines the Akashic records as part of the collective subconsious where the memorys and personalitys of all those who have gone before are 'stored'. They are no longer alive, no longer grow, but still effect those who touch on them, those who follow in history. Like a book that stops being writted on death but that can be 'read' by those who know how to access the library and how to 'read' the book.

Now if you have understood that it will be clear that *I* haven't had past lives, but that part of me, my spirit has. They where diffrent people, not *I*, but we are linked. In some tiny way they have probably effected me and who I became, but they are not me.

Also it is possible to have an affinity for other 'books' in the Akashic. Ones that we are not directly linked to but that have either impacted on the past lives of the spirit or simple that we have an affinity for who they are (Just like there are some we meet that we immediatly take a likeing to, and some we don't)... In all these cases it is possible to subconsiously (Or consiously with training) pick up memorys, 'read' chapters of their book that will feel like OUR memorys.

Many of the big historical figures catch the interest of people and draw us to them, hence we find 101 people claiming to have past life mamorys of being Cleopatra, or Napolion and maybe one single person claiming to have been Boris the Dark age pig breeder.

No way to tell difinitivly if any or all of them are right or wrong, there are many ways a link can be formed with a personality in the Akashic, all resulting in the posibility of picking up memorys or personaility traits.

So do I believe in past lives....yes, but probably not the same way as many people do.



slavejali -> RE: Past Lives (6/30/2006 4:58:24 AM)

I think I followed your thinking RavenMuse..ive wondered about that aspect too, of  there being100's of re-incarnated cleopatras running around the planet. *grin*

It's all so fascinating.




RavenMuse -> RE: Past Lives (6/30/2006 5:06:09 AM)

A lot of it will simply be bullshit and wishful thinking but I've met several people who I believed. In that I believed they had an experience they believed was linked to a 'famous' histroical figure. After studying the Akashic I could see how 'some' of it could be genuine.

I've had a few experiences myself, but nothing linked to famous folks. The most telling was on taking a friend in as a lodger we both started getting a recuring set of images, seperate from each other. We were relating them to a mutual friend who got us to talk to each other about it..... we where discribing the same event from two diffrent perspectives. EVERYTHING in our description was identical except the viewpoints.



NakedOnMyChain -> RE: Past Lives (6/30/2006 5:18:14 AM)

Yes, I believe in reincarnation.  And yes, I believe I have lived before.  I'm not quite sure how many times, but several is the most viable options.  There are coincidences, deja vu's, spine-tingling bits of unidentified yet undeniable recognition, and other factors that lead me to believe that I have lived multiple lives. 

I think we choose our surroundings, our family.  We choose our style of living before we're even born.  The goal of each lifetime is to learn, to grow, and to better ourselves.  The ultimate end goal is enlightenment (becoming part of the univeral collective... becoming God, if you will).

I believe in the Summerlands (a Celtic idea of a place you go between lifetimes to reflect, ponder, and prepare).  I believe in bodhisattvas (those who have already achieved enlightenment, yet choose to come back to and help others achieve it.  For example, I believe Jesus was one).  I believe that in the grand scheme of things this is a form of natural order.  We live, we learn, we die.  Then we wash, rinse and repeat to get the most from the experience.  Once we've perfected ourselves, we are able to transcend our petty daily lives and join the Divine.

Edited to add:  I'm really not comfortable sharing some of my experiences in a public forum.  They are intensely personal and powerful for me, and I'd like to keep them quietly tucked where they are.

I will, however, relate this story.  The most breathlessly solid moment I've ever experienced with past lives was when my niece was born a year and some months ago.  When she was four days old, she spent the night at my house.  She woke up in the middle of the night, and I went to feed her.  We laid there in the dark, me giving her her bottle, and looked deep into each other's eyes for well over 45 minutes.  Something transpired, some strange, beautiful acknowledgement.  As I looked into her deep, clear gray eyes (which never changed color), and she gazed into my black ones, something happened that I will never be able to clearly describe.  We knew each other.  Not in an, "Oh, I've seen you somewhere," sense.  It was a deep, soul-wrenching recognition that I have never felt before or after.  Somewhere, at some time, she and I had done this before, this quiet ritual.  Somewhere besides this sphere, we had been kin. 

Unfortunately, the memory faded on her part as she grew older.  Every so often I'll catch a glimpse of that strong, rooted recognition as it flits across her little face.  But honestly, it's rare.  She's developing new memories now.  I'm just glad I'm still here to see them.

(Ok.  I'm going to go do something else now.  That memory is so strong that it still makes me cry just thinking about it.)



MstrssSatin -> RE: Past Lives (6/30/2006 6:34:22 AM)

Yes I believe in reincarnation. One reason being sometimes you meet a very young person who seems throughly rooted and focused, older than their years. These people have been here before and as stated are referred to as "old souls".  On the opposite end I have met people in their 40s,50 and older who still can't seem to get their lives together. I imagine their souls have many more trips to this earth before they mature.
I myself have experience flashes of past lives. Epic battles replayed in detail., villages so vivid that I can remember the smells, sounds and feelings they envoked in me, as well as people who I felt strongly attached to.
My best example for my own experience is that  as a child I had vivid detailed dreams of an old village, details of the cottages, cracks in cobble stone, layout of the streets, where various merchants where, etc.   When I became an adult I had the chance to live in Germany for a number of years. I had been there for about a year when I decided to drive around a bit on a Saturday. I took off with no set agenda and found myself on a winding road  in a very rural  area . You guessed it I came upon the village in my dreams. It was called Swayzee, (not sure of the spelling). I had chills the entire time I was there and even a little panicky and a total feeling of dread.  I never went back and I never got out of my car.
Sorry this longer than it should have been. But that's my experience.   [:D]



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Past Lives (6/30/2006 6:42:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slavejali
What do you feel about past lives?

I feel they are good things to have.

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 Have you had any experiences that would have you believe we have lived before in another time and place?

Yes, I have "memories" of other lives.  Not just "past" as we would define it.

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If you believe in past lives..what do you base that belief on..and how do you think it fits into the grand scheme of things?

Pure and simply my own visions and experiences.  I got no evidence, I got no "tombstone of a dead relative that I could never have known" nothing but my own knowledge of myself.

I think we are here to experience ourselves.  I think we choose to experience ourselves in a variety of ways.  I think we want to know who we are.
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If you have had any experiences please share, I've had enough I could write a book on it...what's yours though?

I'm going to put that on the "too personal" list for a forum, but if you are interested Jali, I'd be happy to email with you on it.



Lashra -> RE: Past Lives (6/30/2006 6:50:48 AM)

I believe in reincarnation. Nature recycles and so to my way of thinking so are human beings. I believe we go on until we've learned all the lessons the Goddess wishes us to learn and then we go to be with her.

~Lashra
Whipping asses since 1981



Quivver -> RE: Past Lives (6/30/2006 9:14:57 AM)

Fast Reply............

Count me in too Jali...  Although easily put off by wish full thinking, I've had an irrational fear of Germany that usually related to WW2 and the Jews.  Mass Murders like that have happened damn near everywhere, and saddened me yet the Holocaust shakes my core and has since Childhood.  On another note, I've had many experiences where I've met another and had that instant rapport we've all experienced.  But it's taken itself one step further with just an innocent touch of a shoulder or hand.  The clarity, the recognition of familiarity is unmistakable. 
I believe.............. 

Love the Bracelet story....  :>)  
Isn't it great when we pass along a weee bit of energy with one little item? 



LaTigresse -> RE: Past Lives (6/30/2006 11:11:12 AM)

Absolutely I do believe in reincarnation. There are too many signs I see, too many feelings of "knowing" for me to believe otherwise.
I believe that we are drawn to people we have shared previous lives with and places.
I know exactly what Vulfie was saying about learning, there are things that I would try to learn that even if I found them interesting I would struggle and curse my way thru it and then there are other things that the learning is almost a remembering.
There are some languages that though my concious mind does not know the words they are musical to me both in the written and the spoken form and learning it just flows. There are others that are just totally impossible.
Some cities I have visited I felt I knew and was comfortable walking the streets I know I have never seen, unafraid of getting lost. Others, all I have to do is walk out the hotel and feel anxious.
I can spend hours in the woods even in the dead of night and never be afraid or in fear of losing my way.
I have no fear of death at all, only for the pain it will cause those I love. For myself it seems just a new adventure.



FangsNfeet -> RE: Past Lives (6/30/2006 3:03:45 PM)

If the concept of past lives excist, then where does all the new life come from? Didn't the Earths population use to be 3 or 4 billion? How the hell have we ended up with over 6 billion today? At the moment I don't know the exact ratio of deaths per births but I do know that we are having more people being born than people dying. Where's the math in reincarnation? I would like to see the formula.



MissyRane -> RE: Past Lives (6/30/2006 3:18:03 PM)

When I come to a place where I've never been before in my life nor read anything about it and then I figure out I know the place like the back of my hand...so I must've been there thousands of times but yet it was my first time soo I believe in past lives



Vendaval -> RE: Past Lives (6/30/2006 3:22:11 PM)

FNF,
 
Two of the concepts you will hear discussed amongst the metaphysical
crowd are "new souls" and "old souls".  The idea being that some people
are new on the path to enlightenment, that they have few if
any, previous incarnations. 
The other side of this idea are the "old souls", those individuals who are
wise beyond their years at a very early age. 
These concepts are not as easily defined by mathematics but are
rather experienced and understood by direct interaction
with said individuals and observation.
 
Hope this helps,
 
Vendaval



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Past Lives (6/30/2006 5:39:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet
If the concept of past lives excist, then where does all the new life come from? Didn't the Earths population use to be 3 or 4 billion? How the hell have we ended up with over 6 billion today? At the moment I don't know the exact ratio of deaths per births but I do know that we are having more people being born than people dying. Where's the math in reincarnation? I would like to see the formula.

This argument suggests that there are:
a) a finite number of "souls" "life energies" "whatever you want to call it that gets reincarnated"
b) this finite number was created and set a long time ago
c)  somehow that finite number has already been reached

I don't think any one of those three can be considered as truthful.  So that particular argument isn't a problem.



mnottertail -> RE: Past Lives (6/30/2006 6:07:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

quote:

ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet
If the concept of past lives excist, then where does all the new life come from? Didn't the Earths population use to be 3 or 4 billion? How the hell have we ended up with over 6 billion today? At the moment I don't know the exact ratio of deaths per births but I do know that we are having more people being born than people dying. Where's the math in reincarnation? I would like to see the formula.

This argument suggests that there are:
a) a finite number of "souls" "life energies" "whatever you want to call it that gets reincarnated"
b) this finite number was created and set a long time ago
c)  somehow that finite number has already been reached

I don't think any one of those three can be considered as truthful.  So that particular argument isn't a problem.


A) prima facia evidence suggests that a finite number of 'souls' exist at any one space-time in our ponderable universe and they are 'Gallileic-ally' countable. Even the phone company's phone book(that knows the instant you call or hang up a phone......lolololololol) is demonstrably 15% out of round by pblish dates (this should give you an indication of the difference between speed of light, and speed of information(let's call it the speed of sound, shall we?) for most of us here that is sufficient.
B) These are the words that eintstein exclaimed to a graduate student who was trying to impress an undergraduate cupcake within his sphere when he made an argument akin to that... 'Schlau, aber nicht  wahr'  (clever, but not correct)
As has been shown there are quantum foam factories that indeed produce ponderable matter.
While I am still of the opinion that god does play dice, and how he plays it is that in the fullness of time, he can play every game....current thought is that as the universe expands (for some unknown variable we are still cogitating) and therefore no finite number of anything can be reached within the ponderable sphere for us shitbreathers in life.

In case you did not bother (I know I wouldn't) to glean this little asswipe of nothingness..........I agree that A,B,C is flawed so far and am presenting one of many inclusive positives to EMs assertions to the flaw.

LOL........GAWD! I love this town.

Ron



cuddleheart50 -> RE: Past Lives (6/30/2006 6:08:39 PM)

I know this much, when I die, I'm coming back to haunt my ex!



mnottertail -> RE: Past Lives (6/30/2006 6:54:36 PM)

Even today, with every breath, he inhales 12 molecules that have been shared with those exiguent............Ta Day.


This is the best reason I can think of for supporting second hand smoke 



slavejali -> RE: Past Lives (6/30/2006 8:03:07 PM)

hey Ive got a theory re Fangsnfeet's comment. Well...so..you know how there are a decreasing number of animals on the planet? And you know how there are more and more people who have base animal consciousness, just concenred with survival, food, sex, shelter,  not refined at all...well where they came from is...they used to be animals *grin* As good as any other theory hey?

cuddleheart: laughing at your comment



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