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tazzygirl -> RE: 29% Of Louisiana Republicans Blame Obama For Hurricane Katrina Response Under Bush (8/25/2013 7:30:07 AM)

I agree. However, the one thing this poll showed me, at least, was the level of ignorance, and I dont mean that in a bad way. Could there be that many people who are ignorant of the true causes of Kat? Or are they just ignorant enough to believe other people will accept that someone who had no position of any authority at that time can affect their lives to that extent?

I blame Bush. Not because he was "President" but because of who he placed in charge of FEMA. I dont blame him for the hurricane, or the flooding. I do blame him, partially, for the bad outcome of the aftermath.

Partially because, lets face it, people stayed knowing how bad it could get. Partially because, lets face it, so did the government there who really was slack in getting people out when they had time.



DomKen -> RE: 29% Of Louisiana Republicans Blame Obama For Hurricane Katrina Response Under Bush (8/25/2013 8:14:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir

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And that's just the ones who are in the Senate.


There are very few actual conservatives who are in either branch of Congress.

What is a No True Scotsman fallacy, Alex.



Louve00 -> RE: 29% Of Louisiana Republicans Blame Obama For Hurricane Katrina Response Under Bush (8/25/2013 8:16:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kana

The irony here is that pretty much every Louisiana native I met while down there was well aware that the area wasn't ready for a large hurricane, that the bayous would flood and that there was a large potential for disaster. People down there talked about a class five the way Californians discuss a huge earthquake-everyone knows that sooner or later the big one is going to hit, that they are woefully unprepared, and each and every successive generation just passed the buck and prayed it didn't hit on their political watch.
Pre-Kat we all knew the problem, endemic state wide long term corruption that had left the state completely exposed.
Blaming anyone on a federal level (Except maybe the Army Corp of Engineers, who build the worst flood protection in the history of society)is just a joke. They had centuries to get ready, squandered almost every opportunity, used graft and corruption to ensure what few projects were undertaken weren't done to spec, and they knew (And know) it.
Louisiana needs to learn the number one rule of finger pointing-yeah, you got one digit pointed outwards, but there are three more coming right back at them.




I couldn't agree more with all the hype going on about how bad Katrina was and where it was heading. If a politically sponsored party wouldn't help them get out of there, where was their good sense? To me, it's as arrogant as it is ignorant, to wait to be led out of there by hand.

Just go...if by no other way, your feet and a thumb and hope for the best. It at least would have given them all a better shot of surviving the odds of a disaster happening to them and theirs.

As far as what percentage is given to Obama's blame for this happening. I totally believe there are people out there trying anything they can to make republicans come out blame free here. Seems to be the way they respond to everything, these days.



Moonhead -> RE: 29% Of Louisiana Republicans Blame Obama For Hurricane Katrina Response Under Bush (8/25/2013 8:20:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
I blame Bush. Not because he was "President" but because of who he placed in charge of FEMA. I dont blame him for the hurricane, or the flooding. I do blame him, partially, for the bad outcome of the aftermath.

The fact that he'd cut the budget for leevee maintenance in order to plough the cash he saved into his money pit in Iraq didn't help any either, did it?



kalikshama -> RE: 29% Of Louisiana Republicans Blame Obama For Hurricane Katrina Response Under Bush (8/25/2013 8:20:28 AM)

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The irony here is that pretty much every Louisiana native I met while down there was well aware that the area wasn't ready for a large hurricane, that the bayous would flood and that there was a large potential for disaster. People down there talked about a class five the way Californians discuss a huge earthquake-everyone knows that sooner or later the big one is going to hit, that they are woefully unprepared, and each and every successive generation just passed the buck and prayed it didn't hit on their political watch.
Pre-Kat we all knew the problem, endemic state wide long term corruption that had left the state completely exposed.
Blaming anyone on a federal level (Except maybe the Army Corp of Engineers, who build the worst flood protection in the history of society)is just a joke. They had centuries to get ready, squandered almost every opportunity, used graft and corruption to ensure what few projects were undertaken weren't done to spec, and they knew (And know) it.
Louisiana needs to learn the number one rule of finger pointing-yeah, you got one digit pointed outwards, but there are three more coming right back at them.


Good points, however the questions was "Who do you think was more responsible for the poor response to Hurricane Katrina: George W Bush or Barack Obama?"

I wonder how if the results would have changed if "Barack Hussein Obama" was the choice given instead.



Moonhead -> RE: 29% Of Louisiana Republicans Blame Obama For Hurricane Katrina Response Under Bush (8/25/2013 8:28:25 AM)

Kana's point is a good one, but to be fair, if there's supposed to be Federal disaster relief programme, and everybody knew a bad hurricane was brewing, is expecting the people you're paying taxes to to actually do their fucking job instead of ignoring the problem and leaving saving your arse in your hands entirely unreasonable?



Real0ne -> RE: 29% Of Louisiana Republicans Blame Obama For Hurricane Katrina Response Under Bush (8/25/2013 8:33:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Good points, however the questions was "Who do you think was more responsible for the poor response to Hurricane Katrina: George W Bush or Barack Obama?"

I wonder how if the results would have changed if "Barack Hussein Obama" was the choice given instead.





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tazzygirl -> RE: 29% Of Louisiana Republicans Blame Obama For Hurricane Katrina Response Under Bush (8/25/2013 8:37:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
I blame Bush. Not because he was "President" but because of who he placed in charge of FEMA. I dont blame him for the hurricane, or the flooding. I do blame him, partially, for the bad outcome of the aftermath.

The fact that he'd cut the budget for leevee maintenance in order to plough the cash he saved into his money pit in Iraq didn't help any either, did it?


Funding that was cut in late 2003... do we honestly want to go with the fact that they would have shorn up the levees enough in less than 2 years to withstand the effects of Kat?



Moonhead -> RE: 29% Of Louisiana Republicans Blame Obama For Hurricane Katrina Response Under Bush (8/25/2013 8:39:54 AM)

I was thinking more of the fact that cutting the funding in the first place was deeply irresponsible, to be honest.



tazzygirl -> RE: 29% Of Louisiana Republicans Blame Obama For Hurricane Katrina Response Under Bush (8/25/2013 8:41:22 AM)

It was. I dont think that was the irresponsible aspect of that event. They should have been maintained all along. They werent.




Moonhead -> RE: 29% Of Louisiana Republicans Blame Obama For Hurricane Katrina Response Under Bush (8/25/2013 8:43:46 AM)

And the reason they weren't is because the chimp wanted to divert the money that was being spent on maintenance to the occupation of Iraq.
"Small government" in action, obviously.



tazzygirl -> RE: 29% Of Louisiana Republicans Blame Obama For Hurricane Katrina Response Under Bush (8/25/2013 9:07:40 AM)

Come on, that wasnt the only reason. What about before the cuts? How many years did they know the levees needed work? Its a convenient excuse for a bad situation.



Kirata -> RE: 29% Of Louisiana Republicans Blame Obama For Hurricane Katrina Response Under Bush (8/25/2013 9:19:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

A significant chunk of Louisiana Republicans evidently believe that President Barack Obama is to blame for the poor response to the hurricane that ravaged their state more than three years before he took office.

Given that New Orleans' recovery has been under Obama's watch for the past four-plus years, it doesn't seem unreasonable that people who fault aspects of the administration's effort as inadequate or misguided would lay some of the ongoing problems at his feet.

http://www.theroot.com/views/has-obama-kept-his-promise-new-orleans

K.



jlf1961 -> RE: 29% Of Louisiana Republicans Blame Obama For Hurricane Katrina Response Under Bush (8/25/2013 9:20:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


And this thread and others like it show the depth of the hatred some liberals hold for republicans.


Uh, considering the public statements made by republicans concerning birth control, rape, gay marriage etc, how can you defend them?

It was a republican that said "Nature prevents a woman from getting pregnant if it is a legitimate rape."

Conservatives have put forth the idea that only "sluts" use birth control.

A conservative has put forth the statement that lesbian marriage is a threat to straight marriage.

Then we have the birthers, tea partiers, and every other extreme conservative group out there making equally absurd statements with little or no proof, and I am not even going to start on Fox News.

As for this poll, hell it proves nothing. So some people in Louisiana dont know who was president during Katrina. Got news for you people, there is a good number of people who cant tell you who was president during watergate, WW2, Three Mile Island, the LA riots, the Watts riots or even the year any of those things happened.

Look Obama is a fuck up, when he had the majority in the senate and house, he did not push for the things he said he wanted to do, after the first midterms, he has spent most of his time bullshitting both sides of the aisle.

Yes I voted for him, not because he was a better choice, but because there was no way in hell I was voting for a mormon, I know first hand what they teach, what they believe, and their goals for this country. I was married to one, and after numerous attempts to convert me to the cult, I was informed that I do not pray correctly, and other things.

To be honest, I would have voted for Nixon over Romney, hell I would vote for jack the ripper over Romney.



tazzygirl -> RE: 29% Of Louisiana Republicans Blame Obama For Hurricane Katrina Response Under Bush (8/25/2013 9:23:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

A significant chunk of Louisiana Republicans evidently believe that President Barack Obama is to blame for the poor response to the hurricane that ravaged their state more than three years before he took office.

Given that New Orleans' recovery has been under Obama's watch for the past four-plus years, it doesn't seem unreasonable that people who fault aspects of the administration's effort as inadequate or misguided would lay some of the ongoing problems at his feet.

http://www.theroot.com/views/has-obama-kept-his-promise-new-orleans

K.


Again, its a convenient excuse.

Has Obama Kept His Promise to New Orleans?
Mostly, yes. But by failing to reform Bush-era laws on housing, the administration has allowed the Crescent City's recovery to drag.

If Obama is honoring his promise, he is also missing his target. The biggest unmet recovery issue is housing, particularly for low-income residents. It is the most glaring omission in the renewal of New Orleans city life. You can drive by blocks of blight that are either the consequence of the floods -- or were like that before the storm. In the areas where the city's "Big Four" housing projects once stood, you find, at best, partially completed (though posh) mixed-income housing developments or, at worst, gated fields of weeds.



dcnovice -> RE: 29% Of Louisiana Republicans Blame Obama For Hurricane Katrina Response Under Bush (8/25/2013 9:37:11 AM)

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Do you honestly think Obama is the first president people hated?

Oh God, no. That was John Adams.

To me, the concern is not the antipathy but the departure from reality. As Senator Moynihan used to say, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Here we have a disturbing example of opinions rooted in a parallel universe rather than the one we all inhabit. That makes reaching any kind of common ground, never easy, almost impossible.



jlf1961 -> RE: 29% Of Louisiana Republicans Blame Obama For Hurricane Katrina Response Under Bush (8/25/2013 9:38:26 AM)

Yes the Obama administration has been dragging the New Orleans recovery out, for a lot of reasons, some legit, others not so much.

However, I have the same problem with New Orleans as I do with Holland. Most of the damn place is below sea level.

And in the case of New Orleans, the part of the city that is below sea level is sinking about an inch a year.

How much money does the state and federal governments spend to protect a city that really cant be protected?



tazzygirl -> RE: 29% Of Louisiana Republicans Blame Obama For Hurricane Katrina Response Under Bush (8/25/2013 9:42:24 AM)

Personally? close it all down and clean it up



searching4mysir -> RE: 29% Of Louisiana Republicans Blame Obama For Hurricane Katrina Response Under Bush (8/25/2013 9:47:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir

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And that's just the ones who are in the Senate.


There are very few actual conservatives who are in either branch of Congress.

What is a No True Scotsman fallacy, Alex.



No, not really. An actual conservative wants conservation of the republic. They would be more likely to be members of the Constitution Party. How many Constitutionalists are in Congress?

I don't consider the Republican party to be "conservative". Are they more conservative than the Democratic party? Yes, but that isn't all that hard to do.



Kirata -> RE: 29% Of Louisiana Republicans Blame Obama For Hurricane Katrina Response Under Bush (8/25/2013 9:47:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

A significant chunk of Louisiana Republicans evidently believe that President Barack Obama is to blame for the poor response to the hurricane that ravaged their state more than three years before he took office.

Given that New Orleans' recovery has been under Obama's watch for the past four-plus years, it doesn't seem unreasonable that people who fault aspects of the administration's effort as inadequate or misguided would lay some of the ongoing problems at his feet.

http://www.theroot.com/views/has-obama-kept-his-promise-new-orleans

Again, its a convenient excuse.

Well of course. No criticisms of Obama are valid. They're all just "excuses" for racism. Everybody knows that.

K.



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