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RE: Wish me luck. - 9/2/2013 10:12:46 PM   
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I love bees. I grow bee loving flowers. I love bees!

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RE: Wish me luck. - 9/2/2013 10:23:39 PM   
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You lived, you learned, and you now know far more about collecting a beehive than you did last Thursday. Congratulations!


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RE: Wish me luck. - 9/3/2013 12:18:54 AM   
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I love bees too. Thanks for helping them to survive and thrive. (I miss those great big round fuzzy bees that used to be so ubiquitous.)

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RE: Wish me luck. - 9/3/2013 1:21:56 AM   
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Well done.

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RE: Wish me luck. - 9/3/2013 1:59:51 AM   
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Next step is to combine these bees with an existing hive of mine.

I'm unclear on why you'd do this.

If you got the wild hive's queen then she'd build up her own hive again. If not the workers won't last very long and don't bees from different hives fight?

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RE: Wish me luck. - 9/3/2013 2:11:21 AM   
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I love bees too. Thanks for helping them to survive and thrive. (I miss those great big round fuzzy bees that used to be so ubiquitous.)

Bumblebees. They're in pretty bad decline in the wild which is a bad thing since there are plants that are not pollinated by any other insect, including tomatoes (which can be pollinated by wind so it is mostly the hothouse cultivators that need the bumblebees but still). .

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RE: Wish me luck. - 9/3/2013 2:27:35 AM   
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I miss bluebirds too. Most kids these days don't even know what they look like.

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RE: Wish me luck. - 9/3/2013 3:58:37 PM   
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I've started a new hobby a few months ago. Beekeeping.

It's something I've always wanted to do, and they're fascinating little creatures. I've got two hives now, and I'm learning how to check up on them, how to recognize when they're placid, and when they're pissed off, etc. I've read, I've attended meetings with experienced beekeepers, and I've got a mentor.

The weekend of the 31st, I'll have a new challenge. I'll be doing an extraction. That's when a beekeeper tears into a structure with bees, and removed the bees and the comb. It's supposed to be hard as hell. It's a coworker's house, and the main colony is 20 feet off the ground. There's also a small second colony under a soffit.

I've got a lot of things going for me. I'll be working on a scaffold, not a ladder. My mentor has looked at the job and given me advice. And I'll have access to his bee vac and smoker if I need it. And I don't have to put anything back - the my coworker and her husband have decided to re-side the house. So I'll just pry off boards until I've exposed the hives, collect the bees and comb, and then let the carpenters pout things back.

Here are the steps I plan to take:

1. Put on bee suit, and get on scaffold, with two 5 gallon buckets, a can of Kilz, and a knife or hive tool. Have two hive bodies as well, with open frames with no foundation in them, so I can insert comb in directly.

2. Go to the larger colony, the one 20 feet off the ground. (Did I mention I have a fear of heights? I suspect it won't be serious on a scaffold.) Rip off boards with a pry bar, until the entire colony is exposed.

3. Possibly smoke the colony. (This makes the bees gorge themselves on honey. Makes them more docile and makes cleanup afterward easier.) Possibly just suck them up with a bee vacuum. One way or another, get them off the honeycomb.

4. Tear out the honeycomb and drop it in one of the 5 gallon buckets. Tear out old, empty comb and drop it in the other bucket. Removing honeycomb and old comb will expose the brood comb.

5. The brood comb is comb containing bee eggs. Remove it carefully, cutting it to fit the open frames, and secure them in place with rubber bands. Put the filled frames in the hive body. Keep an eye out for the queen.

6. When I see the queen, gently trap her in a queen cell and make sure it's kept in the hive body, somewhere out of the sun so she doesn't fry.

7. With the queen rehoused, the rest of the bees should gather around her. Keep removing comb and place it into frames, or in the buckets, depending on what kind of comb it is.

8. Cut out the last of the comb. Paint the place where the comb used to be, with Kilz, to kill the bee scent, so no future bees colonize the same area.

9. Repeat the above for the second colony. It should take less time, because it's smaller and because I will have some experience.

10. Seal off the bucket with honey in it.

11. Put the hives in my car and drive home with them.

I'm nuts for doing this so early, but the experience will be priceless. And I'll get two small hives from it, which I will combine with my two existing hives and make them stronger. I should get a huge amount of beeswax from this as well, and perhaps some honey (although I will need to return almost all of it to the bees).

Should be fun!



LOOOOOOVE to hear of your exploits and results....considering doing the same.

Give some thought to passing out flyers about the dangers of pesticides (even homeowner versions) and offering natural options ("take 5 cigarette butts, put them in a 5 gallon bucket, let steep for 4 days, put in sprayer....spray plants to kill bugs"...."kill weeds? Vodka and soap!!!!")....and pass those out to everyone within 1 mile or more if you have the energy.

Most won't listen....but what if you get one?

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RE: Wish me luck. - 9/3/2013 5:10:03 PM   
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Give some thought to passing out flyers about the dangers of pesticides (even homeowner versions) and offering natural options ("take 5 cigarette butts, put them in a 5 gallon bucket, let steep for 4 days, put in sprayer....spray plants to kill bugs

While that might be dilute enough to not harm the bees the pesticides currently considered the likely culprit are derived from nicotine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinoid

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RE: Wish me luck. - 9/3/2013 5:46:21 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
Give some thought to passing out flyers about the dangers of pesticides (even homeowner versions) and offering natural options ("take 5 cigarette butts, put them in a 5 gallon bucket, let steep for 4 days, put in sprayer....spray plants to kill bugs

While that might be dilute enough to not harm the bees the pesticides currently considered the likely culprit are derived from nicotine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinoid


Okay well....since in the 70's, they made clear that cyclamates (a synthetic for sugar) caused cancer and now we can't use that, or DDT that worked wonders and now we find that's horrible stuff.....skip what I offered and go for something made out of wheat or Teriyaki sauce.....I'm good with that.

I would even agree to a liquid made out of ground up pencil erasers....(I'm fairly confident Steven understood my point).

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RE: Wish me luck. - 9/3/2013 6:21:33 PM   
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good luck dude

ps post pix in ur beekeeper suit. you know, for science.

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RE: Wish me luck. - 9/3/2013 7:54:04 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Next step is to combine these bees with an existing hive of mine.

I'm unclear on why you'd do this.

If you got the wild hive's queen then she'd build up her own hive again. If not the workers won't last very long and don't bees from different hives fight?


Bees from different hives do fight. There's a sneaky trick where you have a single sheet of newspaper as a barrier to the two. By the two or three days it takes them to chew through it, they're used to each other's scent.

Right now, I have two hives *my old one and the new one) that in my opinion do not have enough bees to survive the winter. So I'm combining them to make one stronger hive.

There is no way the queen could build up her hive now. Remember, they do that in the spring, when they have six or seven months to do it. She'd have about three months to do it now. She couldn't lay enough eggs to birth the thousands of workers to gather honey in this short a time.

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RE: Wish me luck. - 9/4/2013 1:29:02 PM   
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I discovered a plant killer that I gave to Mom and she loves it.

1 gallon vinegar
1/2 cup salt
few drops of Dawn dish soap.

Mix and put in a sprayer.

Mom fixed it up and sprayed all of the weeds around the trailer and our huge rock. It starts killing in 2 hours. Cheaper than using Roundup.


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RE: Wish me luck. - 9/5/2013 6:27:18 PM   
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quote:

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
Next step is to combine these bees with an existing hive of mine.

I'm unclear on why you'd do this.

If you got the wild hive's queen then she'd build up her own hive again. If not the workers won't last very long and don't bees from different hives fight?


Bees from different hives do fight. There's a sneaky trick where you have a single sheet of newspaper as a barrier to the two. By the two or three days it takes them to chew through it, they're used to each other's scent.

Right now, I have two hives *my old one and the new one) that in my opinion do not have enough bees to survive the winter. So I'm combining them to make one stronger hive.

There is no way the queen could build up her hive now. Remember, they do that in the spring, when they have six or seven months to do it. She'd have about three months to do it now. She couldn't lay enough eggs to birth the thousands of workers to gather honey in this short a time.



http://www.getbees.net/

http://www.worldofbeekeeping.com/how-to-get-bees-into-your-hive/

http://www.almanac.com/blog/beekeeping/beekeeping-101-where-get-bees

http://laughingsquid.com/get-bees-helps-you-setup-your-own-beehive/

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RE: Wish me luck. - 9/6/2013 5:52:33 AM   
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Steven,
You are a fascinating man. Have fun!
bzzz bzzz,
sunshine

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