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The commodity advisory services are advising investors to invest in natural gas and fuels based on the NASA data calling for COLDER winters. . (you know, the guys who put their money where their mouth is)

Natural gas being plentiful,clean and cheap would have nothing to do with it now would it?

There is a well known principle called "supply and demand." You may have heard of it.

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Unless Coal can't compete because of regulations implemented at Obama's behest. If that is the case (and I'm saying "if" because I don't know and I'm not going to look it up), then they are at least partially correct.

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The commodity advisory services are advising investors to invest in natural gas and fuels based on the NASA data calling for COLDER winters. . (you know, the guys who put their money where their mouth is)

Natural gas being plentiful,clean and cheap would have nothing to do with it now would it?

There is a well known principle called "supply and demand." You may have heard of it.

I have heard the morons who talk about it but know nothing about it.
How does it work with diamonds,gold,silver,oil,natural gas,coal...you know comodoties which are traded world wide and corps with huge amounts of dough manipulate the supply and demand...

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From what I've seen, there is always some "reason" given for the higher prices like a refinery fire, transportation problems, regulations, etc, causing a "shortage" of the final product.

I'm glad you put 'reason' in quotes.

Many times 'reason' means Excuse.
You hear all the time that the oil companies haven't been allowed to build a refinery is several decades and that's why gas is expensive.
If you look at facts, you will see that one of the reasons is that they haven't even applied to build one. In fact, some refineries have been shut down in order to artificially keep the price of their products high.

Someone said to invest in natural gas futures to make money.
Ever thought that it is because plants all over the nation have shifted from burning coal to natural gas to power their turbines?
Natural gas at the present price produces more Kwh/dollar than coal.
This winter, a lot less coal will be purchased regardless of the temperatures because most of the power plants will be burning natural gas so a lot more will be sold. A lot more sold is a t good indicator of more $ to be made.
If the price goes up, there are massive stockpiles of coal waiting in the wings and the natural gas will just sit in storage unsold. That will keep the price of fracked natural gas low for the forseeable future.

To add an ironic byline, coal mine owners are blaming the Obama administration and environmentalists for "Costing jobs and trying to put them out of business".
It's not the administration and environmentalists killing the coal industry.
It's big oil killing the coal industry.

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From what I've seen, there is always some "reason" given for the higher prices like a refinery fire, transportation problems, regulations, etc, causing a "shortage" of the final product.

I'm glad you put 'reason' in quotes.

Many times 'reason' means Excuse.
You hear all the time that the oil companies haven't been allowed to build a refinery is several decades and that's why gas is expensive.
If you look at facts, you will see that one of the reasons is that they haven't even applied to build one. In fact, some refineries have been shut down in order to artificially keep the price of their products high.

Someone said to invest in natural gas futures to make money.
Ever thought that it is because plants all over the nation have shifted from burning coal to natural gas to power their turbines?
Natural gas at the present price produces more Kwh/dollar than coal.
This winter, a lot less coal will be purchased regardless of the temperatures because most of the power plants will be burning natural gas so a lot more will be sold. A lot more sold is a t good indicator of more $ to be made.
If the price goes up, there are massive stockpiles of coal waiting in the wings and the natural gas will just sit in storage unsold. That will keep the price of fracked natural gas low for the forseeable future.

To add an ironic byline, coal mine owners are blaming the Obama administration and environmentalists for "Costing jobs and trying to put them out of business".
It's not the administration and environmentalists killing the coal industry.
It's big oil killing the coal industry.

The Obama administration is NOT to blame for trying to kill the coal industry? Do you have different News broadcasts in your area of the country? Because on the newscasts in PA, Obama can clearly be seen and heard saying, "they can build a coal power plant but I'll bankrupt it." That's why the coal unions here campaigedgainst Obama. Obama also said if coal is o longer burned, he realizes, electric rates will skyrocket.

Surely Obama realizes everything he says is on tape and on the record. How can he be stupid enough to say things that completely contradict what HE said? I can understand small shit, but on major issues, he forgets? Can't wait for Aljazera (or however its spelled) to get on the air. I don't think they are going to be Obama's lapdogs like MSNBC, NBC, etc.

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But of course if there was big money to be made denying that the world is round, there'd probably be a lot of people still believing that "the science isn't clear," or that it's a great conspiracy by all the world's geographers, navigators, astronomers and space scientists, who are in the pay of the Illuminati to bring about world government.

You forgot to mention all those nasty Lefties who are conspiring to use rising sea levels to re-distribute wealth more evenly. I guess when we are all up to our necks in salt water, the poverty gap might seem slightly irrelevant ........

Tweak, if that's true then why did AlGore buy a mansion on the beach in S. California about two years ago?

I'll put it to you then. From your article, I want from you and others in your belief, to tell me just exactly how the Al Gores of the world are proifiting from their stance on climate change and sea levels. Throw in carbon, CO2 and the like if you need to.

We know the opponents are profiteers, it's their fiduciary responsibility to exploit all the earth's resources for a profit. So how does AL make money on all of this ?

BTW, I don't need science, lakes in Canada that failed freeze-over, 3 times in 100 years have now failed to freeze 6 times in the last 18 years. Rising sea levels effecting the sea-side property of a former R-Gov. of S. Carolina he has been telling people...is killing his pine trees.

For those in doubt, do some research on the melting of fresh water on Greenland. MILLIONS and millions of gallons per day is going right into the sea.

Ah, but al of this is not really happening hey ?

Imagine if Greenland was to melt entirely. We;d seriously be fucked.

Well, CBS says that Algore("The planet has a F-E-V-E-R!") is worth "in excess of $200 m."
Other sources in Google peg his net worth at $300m.
I think he gets $200k per speech which is a lot less than say Bill Clinton who commands $500k per speech.
He also sold a bunch of shares of Apple stock and was on their board of directors and excercised a bunch of options.
(Not bad for someone with a degree in"Divinity" eh?)
"Others in my belief?" You mean like,.....Deniers?
"Lakes in Canada that failed to freeze over." Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
One of the problems with "global warming" (or whatever they're calling it this week) is that they're really giving people the *hard sell* on it just like if you were in a car dealership and the salesman called in his "manager." You know something's wrong like when they..."stole" those e-mails of the guys in England who were lying.
And another *HUGE* problem is getting the "U.N." involved. When they were formed they were supposed to be a deliberative body now it seems they've,..."branched out" into..."other things."
Most people simply don't take the "U.N." seriously. They've become a bad joke! If I had a "cause" I'd never want it associated with the "U.N."
A good detective always follows the money.

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"Lakes in Canada that failed to freeze over." Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Do you know what that Latin phrase means? I know you do not, because you wouldn't say something that stupid, and you say some really stupid shit.

Here is a hint. After is what Post means. And to be post hoc ergo propter hoc, there must be no apparent logical causality.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/this-global-warming-warning-cant-be-ignored/2013/08/26/448eb232-0c39-11e3-9941-6711ed662e71_story.html

Humans’ complicity in climate change can’t be ignored
By Editorial Board, Published: August 26

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That is Moonhead's line old cheese. Who is watching the Latins?

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Do they have railways where Moonhead lives, up North? I thought we only had them here in England.

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Neat how that whole "supply and demand" thing pops up, innit? Works just the same way, skewed, but still gets to the "correct" prices based on supply and demand.

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Neat how that whole "supply and demand" thing pops up, innit? Works just the same way, skewed, but still gets to the "correct" prices based on supply and demand.

The point is that it does not work because supply as well as demand is manipulated.

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At least I'm willing to admit my ignorance when it is there.

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Some others would do well to follow suit.

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Was my statement incorrect in some way?

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Once again, you have shown your talent of knocking a messenger rather than knocking a message.

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Do they have railways where Moonhead lives, up North? I thought we only had them here in England.

FFS, of course they do............ One needs to be able to leave the place somehow