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RE: Master Vs slave - 7/1/2006 9:38:33 AM   
LokisBrat


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Status: offline 		I have to agree the piece of paper you have can either be used for toilet paper or starting a fire.......your choice here.  I can understand that unmentionables make things a bit hard, but there is always a time when they are asleep or not there.  I understand this because I also have one of these creatures running around the house too.  There are many ways to punish/discipline someone without actually becoming physical, this will test your creativity.   Communication, follow through, and a genuine desire to be in the role is, in my opinion, the three main ingredients that make success.  To bring it down on simple terms, you need to back up and punt.  It also sounds to me that there is a possibility that the roles might be reversed here.  After all is she not running the show?  Are you not allowing her to run the show?

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RE: Master Vs slave - 7/1/2006 12:10:17 PM   
Kree


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Having read both threads started by the two people involved in this train wreck, I was struck by several thoughts.  Please understand, I am not being judgemental, but rather pointing out things that havent really been addressed.

First, Stoney, I feel you need to look in a mirror and examine your real agenda.  You have taken the name Master, but do not seem to live it.  Did you really feel you were taking a slave, or were you really paying the price to garner a trophy.  It is pretty rare for people with age differences of over 30 years to face the realities of life on a level field.  If you wanted a trophy to show off for friends, continue to do so and accept the backlash you are receiving.  It appears you feel you have helped her straighten out her life, but have you really done so?  Paying the bills and providing a new car can buy a relationship, but is it really a relationship at that point? 

You want to tighten control over her and her actions, but you will not get off the damn computer to do so.  What value is your advice to others, when you can not spend the time you need to spend solving your own problems?  You say she has no right to question what you do online, if she was your slave and you had control of her, that MIGHT be true, but that is not the situation.  I was embarrassed for you both that your idea of problem resolution was to start two threads online as a discussion.  Grow the balls to sit down and talk to EACH OTHER, not a forum, not trolling other submissives online... TWO people... one room... discussion. 

Your "contract" must have come from somewhere like Castle Realm.  In the fantasy world, slaves give up their identities for the deification of a Master that is all powerful.  A Master they love and respect for his wisdom, his control, his very being.  Yeah right.  A contract is not a bad idea.  It is a starting point, not a be all end all solution for a long and happy life.  One of its best uses is to allow two people to review it when things are difficult so they can both see where they began and can both discuss where the path forked.  You have chosen to see a piece of paper as the forever guiding wisdom in every situation.  Just as the US Constitution has been amended and interpreted, a contract will find challenges that must be acknowledged and faced.... by BOTH.

As I said in the beginning, this is a train wreck.  Right now, there are no real injuries in that train wreck.  If you both continue to poke your lips out about what is wrong with the other person, there will come anger and disgust that will assure that there is no solution.  Leave the damn computer alone and talk to the one you wish to obey you.  Those shadowy pixels you are grinning over should not be as important as the living, breathing, attractive young lady that seems to want and need guidance and control.   


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RE: Master Vs slave - 7/1/2006 12:15:00 PM   
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You want to tighten control over her and her actions, but you will not get off the damn computer to do so.  What value is your advice to others, when you can not spend the time you need to spend solving your own problems?  You say she has no right to question what you do online, if she was your slave and you had control of her, that MIGHT be true, but that is not the situation.  I was embarrassed for you both that your idea of problem resolution was to start two threads online as a discussion.  Grow the balls to sit down and talk to EACH OTHER, not a forum, not trolling other submissives online... TWO people... one room... discussion. 

Your "contract" must have come from somewhere like Castle Realm.  In the fantasy world, slaves give up their identities for the deification of a Master that is all powerful.  A Master they love and respect for his wisdom, his control, his very being.  Yeah right.  A contract is not a bad idea.  It is a starting point, not a be all end all solution for a long and happy life.  One of its best uses is to allow two people to review it when things are difficult so they can both see where they began and can both discuss where the path forked.  You have chosen to see a piece of paper as the forever guiding wisdom in every situation.  Just as the US Constitution has been amended and interpreted, a contract will find challenges that must be acknowledged and faced.... by BOTH.

As I said in the beginning, this is a train wreck.  Right now, there are no real injuries in that train wreck.  If you both continue to poke your lips out about what is wrong with the other person, there will come anger and disgust that will assure that there is no solution.  Leave the damn computer alone and talk to the one you wish to obey you.  Those shadowy pixels you are grinning over should not be as important as the living, breathing, attractive young lady that seems to want and need guidance and control.   

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RE: Master Vs slave - 7/1/2006 12:47:16 PM   
TxBadMan


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Expecting to be rewarded for good behavior is not good behavior and would have to be addressed. I don't see kindness as making me weak, its  just another tool to be used.

Being kind with your slave because you are pleased with her service is one thing; rewarding him/her for being good, is totally different. Your exact words were
quote:

If she was good all week use it as a reward
which are what I directed my comment to.

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RE: Master Vs slave - 7/1/2006 12:59:53 PM   
juliaoceania


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Status: offline 		To be fair impish, I did not see the thread rose started as a cry for help in asking how other masters/doms treat their slaves in regard to accounting for money and/or time. She simply asked a question, and she then stated her preference was to hand over control of such things. She never once complained about her Master, never once asked anyone to fix anything.. that is YOUR projection on to her because of this thread we are posting on. She even stated she had not seen this thread at all.

Now to bring up one thread to attack this thread and their relationship is not a very kind thing to do, and it also shows you didnt really read the other thread, and to be frankly honest, I am embarassed when I make assumptions based on reading things incorrectly.. there is enough embarassment to go around for all of us in this world

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RE: Master Vs slave - 7/1/2006 1:21:35 PM   
WayWardSoul


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quote:

ORIGINAL: TxBadMan

quote:

Expecting to be rewarded for good behavior is not good behavior and would have to be addressed. I don't see kindness as making me weak, its  just another tool to be used.

Being kind with your slave because you are pleased with her service is one thing; rewarding him/her for being good, is totally different. Your exact words were
quote:

If she was good all week use it as a reward
which are what I directed my comment to.

Yes you are right i should have worded that different the first time

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RE: Master Vs slave - 7/1/2006 3:40:42 PM   
Kree


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Status: offline 		julia,

Impish was responding to my post.  The words were mine.  I DID read both threads and while you did not see issues in her posts, I did.  For one thing, she was set up to fail.  She was told that there was another thread that he started, but she was denied the possibility of seeing it.  For some reason, people attacked her and sent him flowers for the most part.  Then, when people began to combine the two threads, as thinking people would do, she was told to end her participation in her thread as well. 

He wonders why she isnt the perfect Stepford slave, but does not take control of the situation because of some nebulous piece of paper she is supposed to obey.  Lets see... how about "stand in the corner, slave, and close your eyes while I troll boards instead of spending the effort to control you."  Yeah, that creates a M/s relationship. 

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RE: Master Vs slave - 7/1/2006 5:22:06 PM   
rose442


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kree

julia,

Impish was responding to my post.  The words were mine.  I DID read both threads and while you did not see issues in her posts, I did.  For one thing, she was set up to fail.  She was told that there was another thread that he started, but she was denied the possibility of seeing it.  For some reason, people attacked her and sent him flowers for the most part.  Then, when people began to combine the two threads, as thinking people would do, she was told to end her participation in her thread as well.
He wonders why she isnt the perfect Stepford slave, but does not take control of the situation because of some nebulous piece of paper she is supposed to obey.  Lets see... how about "stand in the corner, slave, and close your eyes while I troll boards instead of spending the effort to control you."  Yeah, that creates a M/s relationship. 


Master told this girl only the title of this post. I was not to read it for His own reasons. And when I started the other post it was BEFORE Wwe had even began to discuss things that were bothering Him.
And the reason I posted the other one is to just be nosey ( as Master says I do best) Just to get ideas of how Eeveryone feels about Master knowing every move.
 
Out of the questions I asked on the other thread the only part I have an issue with is calling Master on my way home. That is useless to me because I will be there in a few minutes then He will see I am there. That is where my wheels start turning and ask why does He want warning that I am on my way? I am sure everyone sees where I am coming from on that. To me it just seems odd that I have to do that. I did not start the other thread to get tempers flaired or to even get the 2 post compared. It just so happened it coensided with this one.
 
Either Master and this girl will both conform to each others NEEDS or Wwe will move on.
 
I hope it is to conform. I love Master and I want Uus to work. Is that being selfish? If it is, I will take what I get for it. Wwe spent 2 long hard years apart and now that Wwe are together physically, Wwe have to do all Wwe can to make this work.
I stopped reading the other thread on my own... Master did not enforce that.
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RE: Master Vs slave - 7/1/2006 5:53:35 PM   
Kree


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And because of the other post being brought into this I must sign off of this post as well. Master said it will be brought in, and as I can see it is. So I am going to not read any more of this post until I am allowed to read the other one. 
 
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RE: Master Vs slave - 7/1/2006 6:50:27 PM   
NeedToUseYou


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Status: offline 		Read about half way through, and just couldn't resist throwing my opinion in. LOL.

Well, I think sometimes it helps to stop looking at things from a complicated viewpoint and look at from a very simple perspective.

A master is desirable to a slave in most cases, because a master has a straight foward set of requirements for the slave. You will do x. You will do y. You will do z. If you don't do x, y, z then this happens. Simple structured relationship. But you are all show and no go it sounds. You say, do x, y, and z, but apparently do little if these aren't followed. So, in my novice opinion, you need to punish her, if she isn't doing what she is supposed to be doing. Not negotiate, you already did that. Now is time for action. Simple. Or break it off. She seems to be begging you to put her in her place in the relationship. I think maybe she wants you to exert your control. Maybe?

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RE: Master Vs slave - 7/1/2006 8:24:02 PM   
MasterStoney442


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Status: offline 		First I want to thank you monkey. You have and are a friend to us.
 
To all or most others . Damn I know it is so wonderful to with in the wealth of knowledge that is in this life style . You people Must know all there is to this life style due to your comments on the negative side . But you do have your opinions and that right is yours . I do respect that . I guess it is very easy to sit back on this computer and do nothing but condom others . Is that a trate that comes with this life style ?
 
I am glad I am not out on the battle field with most of you .But I have done that been there .
For all the ones that give there negative advice,I hope you get the same .
when you ask a question . They are so very positive .
 
Oh btw I did not know how perfect your houses are . Now please do not think I am bashing any of you ,I am just doing the same . Giving my opinion . Again I want to thank you all for your responses good and not so good .
 
To you monkey Please be well and stay happy .

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RE: Master Vs slave - 7/1/2006 8:27:30 PM   
Wulfchyld


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Status: offline 		Geez Stoney. I am very disappointed.

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RE: Master Vs slave - 7/1/2006 10:42:44 PM   
NeedToUseYou


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LOL, yeah it's going to work out well.



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RE: Master Vs slave - 7/1/2006 11:55:58 PM   
SirDarkside357


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Status: offline 		Can we say goodbye? It seems that neither of you is in the relationship you want. Why waist your time?

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RE: Master Vs slave - 7/2/2006 12:04:11 AM   
SirDarkside357


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Yes love can sometimes blind a Master to the misdeeds of his slave, but it doesn't have to.  I have always loved my slaves, but you can ask any of them if that kept me from doing what a Master sometimes has to do and I believe all would say no.  But then love blinds many in all types of relationships and that isn't a good thing.

Be Well,
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