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Zonie63 -> RE: Anti-lads’ mags – and anti-people (8/30/2013 6:43:31 AM)
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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/antilads_mags_and_anti_people/13955#.Uh_mez9cVEw
Now let's see the people criticising these feminists and citing violence against men and male objectification in media outlets to downplay their complaints and indicate they are whiny and pathetic.
Ya know, treat these feminists the same as how I am treated in the other thread.
Can't wait to laugh at the double standards.
Nick, one thing I've noticed is that much of the time, you tend to make the issue about you, as you mention how you were treated in the other thread. I'm not trying to come down on you, but as a constructive criticism, I would say that in any type of debate (especially the kind that takes place on internet forums) making the argument about you is (generally) a tactical mistake.
My advice would be to just stick to the issues and not worry so much about how you are treated by the respondents. If you genuinely feel that you're right, then whatever people say or how they treat you should just bounce right off of you. It shouldn't matter. I would suggest that when you review the responses to anything that you post, try to differentiate between what might be regarded as "personal commentary" versus actual substantial on topic arguments the other poster might be making. Ignore the personal stuff and just stick the issues of substance.
If you demonstrate that you're getting rattled or bothered by how others treat you, then it only encourages more of the same kind of treatment, so it's kind of a vicious cycle you've worked yourself into here.
The thing is, I actually agree with a lot of what you've posted on this issue. There are double standards, and I think a lot of people, both men and women, would agree with that. Even feminists are not all of one like mind on this issue. Some of the threads I've seen, I'm actually astounded when people are mostly agreeing with you and yet it still seems to turn into a big argument.
As for being "whiny and pathetic," I'll admit that the current state of the world is troubling to me. As for my own life, I'm aware that I will someday grow old and die, or some other calamity could befall me, and that's not a very pleasant prospect to ponder either. I suppose I could whine about it. There's really nothing wrong with whining, so if people tell you that you're whining, just forget about it. We have the right to free speech, and that includes whining.
But it might be a good idea to vary the topics a bit, not get so wrapped up in the same topic. I usually post in threads/topics that interest me, although it's not always the same topic. I also try to have a balanced perspective in terms of how each issue fits together and works into the big picture. This is also another reason why some people might not be so worked up about the evils of feminism, since when looking at the grand scheme things and how things are in the entire world, I don't really consider feminism to be a significant factor overall.
That's how I would look at it, even as I mostly agree with a lot of what you're saying. Yes, there are plenty of goofballs, idiots, and extremist kooks among feminists. If nothing else, they're human beings, and human beings (regardless of gender) are prone to idiocy and even extremism on occasion. There may be something terribly wrong with the general population, so if some feminists reflect the overall state of insanity in our countries, then it's not surprising.
But one way to look at it is to have a set of principles and stick by them. If your principles support equality, then stick to that principle and practice it yourself, while letting the splinter in your neighbor's eye speak for itself. If people are insane, let them be insane. Unless they're heavily armed or command armies, but that's another topic.
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