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User friendly service or more information for NSA? - 8/30/2013 3:05:37 PM

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Recently Facebook has said they're going to increase it's profile picture recognition feature to collect a database of all users.
http://rt.com/news/facebook-profile-picture-recognition-208/

What are thoughts, if any? User friendly service or another database to be used by government agencies?
I wonder how much Zuckerbergs going to get for this information...

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RE: User friendly service or more information for NSA? - 8/30/2013 3:07:44 PM

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For some reason it doesn't surprise me that Germany and Ireland have said no way but the US will.

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RE: User friendly service or more information for NSA? - 8/30/2013 7:57:09 PM

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You need to use CV Dazzle™... It is camouflage from computer vision (CV). It is a form of expressive interference that combines makeup and hair styling (or other modifications) with face-detection thwarting designs.
http://cvdazzle.com/

Or don't ever post any pics of yourself or let any friends, etc do that either..

No idea what the reasons for FB doing this crap, I am sure there are gonna be unwanted consequences tho.. Facebook sucks..

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RE: User friendly service or more information for NSA? - 8/30/2013 8:07:29 PM

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Everyone with a Facebook page should start distributing the same photo to everyone they know there and remove their personal pics. Let the NSA try to reconcile millions of users that all look the same.

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RE: User friendly service or more information for NSA? - 8/30/2013 10:20:12 PM

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I cancelled my Facebook account a few months after I opened it. I didn't really think too much of it from the start, but I got talked into opening account by someone I knew. It wasn't too long before I regretted it.

But cancelling it isn't enough, since I see the Facebook logo everywhere. I turn on the radio and they say to check out their Facebook page. A few months ago, the local newspaper website changed their format for people wanting to comment on news stories so that people have to have a Facebook account to post their comments. I've seen the logo on storefronts and outdoor advertisements.

I figure the NSA would be able to gain information from Facebook or most other private sector sources which hold information on the general public. I know people who refuse to use those grocery store discount cards since it records your purchases. If they wanted to, the NSA could likely find out what kind of toilet paper you buy and cross reference with the brands of toilet paper preferred by terrorists. No doubt the NSA's equivalent of "Barney Fife" is working on that right now, concluding that those who squeeze the Charmin are a danger to America and our way of life.

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RE: User friendly service or more information for NSA? - 8/31/2013 6:19:12 AM

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But cancelling it isn't enough, since I see the Facebook logo everywhere. I turn on the radio and they say to check out their Facebook page. A few months ago, the local newspaper website changed their format for people wanting to comment on news stories so that people have to have a Facebook account to post their comments. I've seen the logo on storefronts and outdoor advertisements.

There are (online) businesses that you cant deal with unless you are on FB.. not only has Zuckerberg brainwashed 150 million people, but he has started to brainwash businesses too now.. Its so stupid.. like having a FB page makes you legit and a few friends (who you can easily get by asking anyone to friend you).. "prove" you are "real".. I had a fb page a long, long time ago to see what it was all about, it was all fake.. I had "friends" I had never met.. but yet, that made the fake me "real"..

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RE: User friendly service or more information for NSA? - 8/31/2013 2:18:13 PM

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There are (online) businesses that you cant deal with unless you are on FB.. not only has Zuckerberg brainwashed 150 million people, but he has started to brainwash businesses too now.. Its so stupid.. like having a FB page makes you legit and a few friends (who you can easily get by asking anyone to friend you).. "prove" you are "real".. I had a fb page a long, long time ago to see what it was all about, it was all fake.. I had "friends" I had never met.. but yet, that made the fake me "real"..

Uh... Carol has gotten good results from her interactions with facebook (as a portrait artist). When you're small fry advertising budgets are hard to come by and FB makes a nice way for friends to do "word of mouth" advertising. I have never done any sort of promotion on her business facebook page in order to encourage people to like it. I want the people who have 'liked" her page to actually like her art not just click a button in hopes of winning a prize. My hope is that by keeping her business friends "pure" then the word of mouth advertising and network effect should actually work.

I use facebook to communicate with friends and there's nothing fake about it. The difference between my experience and yours is that my facebook friends list are all actually my friends. They are all actually interested in the life updates, photos and whatnot that I post there.... as I am in their stuff. Much like online anything, it's only fake if you make it fake.

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To the original question, this has nothing to do with the NSA who already has or has access to all those photos whenever they want and already has facial recognition software of their own (which is likely quite a bit better than anyone else's IMO). I can't figure out what value the NSA would have by driving this.

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RE: User friendly service or more information for NSA? - 8/31/2013 4:36:42 PM

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quote:

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There are (online) businesses that you cant deal with unless you are on FB.. not only has Zuckerberg brainwashed 150 million people, but he has started to brainwash businesses too now.. Its so stupid.. like having a FB page makes you legit and a few friends (who you can easily get by asking anyone to friend you).. "prove" you are "real".. I had a fb page a long, long time ago to see what it was all about, it was all fake.. I had "friends" I had never met.. but yet, that made the fake me "real"..

Uh... Carol has gotten good results from her interactions with facebook (as a portrait artist). When you're small fry advertising budgets are hard to come by and FB makes a nice way for friends to do "word of mouth" advertising. I have never done any sort of promotion on her business facebook page in order to encourage people to like it. I want the people who have 'liked" her page to actually like her art not just click a button in hopes of winning a prize. My hope is that by keeping her business friends "pure" then the word of mouth advertising and network effect should actually work.

I use facebook to communicate with friends and there's nothing fake about it. The difference between my experience and yours is that my facebook friends list are all actually my friends. They are all actually interested in the life updates, photos and whatnot that I post there.... as I am in their stuff. Much like online anything, it's only fake if you make it fake.

edited to add:
To the original question, this has nothing to do with the NSA who already has or has access to all those photos whenever they want and already has facial recognition software of their own (which is likely quite a bit better than anyone else's IMO). I can't figure out what value the NSA would have by driving this.

I'm the same way... all of my FB friends are people I've met, friends and family. As well I have FB pages for our businesses and it is a great way to get the word out about products or services. With that said, im very careful about what I post when it comes to anything personal.
My husband has several thousand "friends" mainly due to his interests. In all fairness, we've met and then met in real life several folks who turned out to be uber cool. As with most online sites, I do not think that is typical...

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RE: User friendly service or more information for NSA? - 8/31/2013 4:54:47 PM

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quote:

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There are (online) businesses that you cant deal with unless you are on FB.. not only has Zuckerberg brainwashed 150 million people, but he has started to brainwash businesses too now.. Its so stupid.. like having a FB page makes you legit and a few friends (who you can easily get by asking anyone to friend you).. "prove" you are "real".. I had a fb page a long, long time ago to see what it was all about, it was all fake.. I had "friends" I had never met.. but yet, that made the fake me "real"..

Uh... Carol has gotten good results from her interactions with facebook (as a portrait artist). When you're small fry advertising budgets are hard to come by and FB makes a nice way for friends to do "word of mouth" advertising. I have never done any sort of promotion on her business facebook page in order to encourage people to like it. I want the people who have 'liked" her page to actually like her art not just click a button in hopes of winning a prize. My hope is that by keeping her business friends "pure" then the word of mouth advertising and network effect should actually work.

I use facebook to communicate with friends and there's nothing fake about it. The difference between my experience and yours is that my facebook friends list are all actually my friends. They are all actually interested in the life updates, photos and whatnot that I post there.... as I am in their stuff. Much like online anything, it's only fake if you make it fake.

I can understand that, and I am fine if a business wants to supplement their business with fb.. But what I am referring to are businesses that are national or multi city but force you to have a fb page if you want to deal with them.. Your choice is to set a fb page up or they don't want your business.. Or like. Yesterday.. I wanted to read more about a company but to view their full info on their website I must sign in on fb.. I don't want to be forced onto fb by these businesses.. That is not the way to do things, IMO. Would Carol turn down business when the potential client wasnt on fb? that is what I am talking about..

When I did have a fb page was a long time ago & I wasnt on there seriously, and now people have much more privacy on fb, although perhaps not from advertisers.. Sure I can see how people can be pro fb, and like you keep your network only people you know..

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RE: User friendly service or more information for NSA? - 8/31/2013 5:05:46 PM

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There are (online) businesses that you cant deal with unless you are on FB.. not only has Zuckerberg brainwashed 150 million people, but he has started to brainwash businesses too now.. Its so stupid.. like having a FB page makes you legit and a few friends (who you can easily get by asking anyone to friend you).. "prove" you are "real".. I had a fb page a long, long time ago to see what it was all about, it was all fake.. I had "friends" I had never met.. but yet, that made the fake me "real"..

Uh... Carol has gotten good results from her interactions with facebook (as a portrait artist). When you're small fry advertising budgets are hard to come by and FB makes a nice way for friends to do "word of mouth" advertising. I have never done any sort of promotion on her business facebook page in order to encourage people to like it. I want the people who have 'liked" her page to actually like her art not just click a button in hopes of winning a prize. My hope is that by keeping her business friends "pure" then the word of mouth advertising and network effect should actually work.

I use facebook to communicate with friends and there's nothing fake about it. The difference between my experience and yours is that my facebook friends list are all actually my friends. They are all actually interested in the life updates, photos and whatnot that I post there.... as I am in their stuff. Much like online anything, it's only fake if you make it fake.

I can understand that, and I am fine if a business wants to supplement their business with fb.. But what I am referring to are businesses that are national or multi city but force you to have a fb page if you want to deal with them.. Your choice is to set a fb page up or they don't want your business.. Or like. Yesterday.. I wanted to read more about a company but to view their full info on their website I must sign in on fb.. I don't want to be forced onto fb by these businesses.. That is not the way to do things, IMO. Would Carol turn down business when the potential client wasnt on fb? that is what I am talking about..

When I did have a fb page was a long time ago & I wasnt on there seriously, and now people have much more privacy on fb, although perhaps not from advertisers.. Sure I can see how people can be pro fb, and like you keep your network only people you know..

Absolutely. .. businesses that only go through FB are shooting themselves in the foot as more and more opt out. There's enough free blog options. I read an article the other day how common it's becoming for employers or potential employers to ask for FB info. One of the main things that creep me out is how many other sites that are linked to FB. That whole create an account or "sign in with your FB account".

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RE: User friendly service or more information for NSA? - 9/1/2013 3:36:34 PM

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and now a couple of lending companies is judging your likeliness to pay loans based on your fb friends scores, etc.. How crazy is that?

Www.msn.com/now/post--how-facebook-friends-could-affect-your-credit-score

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RE: User friendly service or more information for NSA? - 9/1/2013 4:30:53 PM

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and now a couple of lending companies is judging your likeliness to pay loans based on your fb friends scores, etc.. How crazy is that?

Www.msn.com/now/post--how-facebook-friends-could-affect-your-credit-score

Wow! With that said, I should be set up big time! Lol.

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RE: User friendly service or more information for NSA? - 9/4/2013 10:43:32 PM

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You need to use CV Dazzle™... It is camouflage from computer vision (CV). It is a form of expressive interference that combines makeup and hair styling (or other modifications) with face-detection thwarting designs.
http://cvdazzle.com/

Or don't ever post any pics of yourself or let any friends, etc do that either..

No idea what the reasons for FB doing this crap, I am sure there are gonna be unwanted consequences tho.. Facebook sucks..

The greatest threat to security is a false sense of security. With image re-processing/make up recognition. That does not work any longer. "Dazzle" is from WWII - it is kind of old and is/has met its match.

http://www.cse.msu.edu/~rossarun/pubs/ChenMakeupDetection_ICB2013.pdf There are a lot better reports if you look using keyword biometrics . That should be a start.

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