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ORIGINAL: DomKen

The President released some visitor's logs and they were immediately used to tell lies and fabricate conspiracy theories. Why would any chief executive continue such a practice after that? Who would go to a meeting where he is certain to be demonized by Glenn Beck and Alex Jones whose followers have a well documented history of violence?

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From http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/TransparencyandOpenGovernment/

My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government

Government should be transparent. Transparency promotes accountability and provides information for citizens about what their Government is doing. Information maintained by the Federal Government is a national asset. My Administration will take appropriate action, consistent with law and policy, to disclose information rapidly in forms that the public can readily find and use. Executive departments and agencies should harness new technologies to put information about their operations and decisions online and readily available to the public. Executive departments and agencies should also solicit public feedback to identify information of greatest use to the public.


Really Obama? Really?


President Obama and his successors in the Oval Office are not obligated to make public the names of individuals visiting the White House, according to a decision of the federal Circuit Court for the District of Columbia made public Friday.

The case was brought by Judicial Watch, the government watchdog nonprofit that has been fighting a long legal battle seeking to force release of the White House visitor logs as public records under the Freedom of Information Act.

But in a decision that is drawing intense criticism from across the ideological spectrum, the circuit court said the president has a "constitutional perogative" not to tell the American people who he or his staff meets with in the White House.
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The court said the president has such a prerogative because he is not covered by the FOIA and because of "special policy considerations" that allow exemption of visitor logs from classification as agency records subject to release under the public records law.


People were hoping for better than Bush. We didn't get it. Not by a long shot. Matter of fact, appears the Nobel Peace Prize is looking to be the War Prize. Not surprising, when transparency is spelled secrecy. [:(]

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The President released some visitor's logs and they were immediately used to tell lies and fabricate conspiracy theories. Why would any chief executive continue such a practice after that?

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The President released some visitor's logs and they were immediately used to tell lies and fabricate conspiracy theories. Why would any chief executive continue such a practice after that? Who would go to a meeting where he is certain to be demonized by Glenn Beck and Alex Jones whose followers have a well documented history of violence?

Name followers of either Beck or Jones who have well documented acts of violence. Or are you just spouting shit?

What lies were told due to any partial release of visitor logs?

Your statements!

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Must I go over the real history of these guys ?

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All administrations are at least incompetent. You don't run a government of some what? millions of people with competence, look at what you are herding.

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Nobody wants more incompetent government, but you have the incompetent herd, from which there are incompetent candidates selected and elected.

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The President released some visitor's logs and they were immediately used to tell lies and fabricate conspiracy theories. Why would any chief executive continue such a practice after that? Who would go to a meeting where he is certain to be demonized by Glenn Beck and Alex Jones whose followers have a well documented history of violence?

Name followers of either Beck or Jones who have well documented acts of violence. Or are you just spouting shit?
What lies were told due to any partial release of visitor logs?
Your statements!

Glenn Beck:
Byron Williams
Alex Jones:
Tamerlan Tsarneav
Richard Andrew Poplawski

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Political views[edit source | editbeta]
Edward Perkovic, a friend of Poplawski, said the gunman feared "the Obama gun ban that's on the way" and "didn't like our rights being infringed upon". Perkovic also stated that Poplawski "didn't like the Zionists controlling the media and controlling, you know, our freedom of speech" and that "He didn't like the control of the guns that was about to happen. He believed everything our forefathers put before us and thought that it was being distorted." Another longtime friend, Aaron Vire, said that Poplawski feared President Obama was going to take away his rights.[10]
Poplawski posted that he believed that "the federal government, mainstream media, and banking system in these United States are strongly under the influence of -- if not completely controlled by -- Zionist interest. An economic collapse of the financial system is inevitable, bringing with it some degree of civil unrest if not outright balkanization of the continental US, civil/revolutionary/racial war . . . This collapse is likely engineered by the elite Jewish powers that be in order to make for a power and asset grab."[11][12]
On March 13, 2009, Poplawski wrote on a white supremacist website that "ZOG (Zionist-occupied government) is... One can read the list of significant persons in government and in major corporations and see who is pulling the strings. One can observe the policies and final products and should walk away with little doubt there is Zionist occupation and -- after some further research & critical thinking -- will discover their insidious intentions."[13]
Mark Potok, a representative of the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) which had reviewed Poplawski's internet postings, stated that "he believed the Jews were coming, the Jews controlled society, you know, we're all under the thumb of Zionists and so on."[13] A report by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) stated that Poplawski had expressed frustration that "not enough attention was being focused on the evil of Jews."[12]
Poplawski was a member of Stormfront, a white supremacist website, where he was a frequent visitor and poster.[14][15] Poplawski had reportedly posted a picture of his tattoo, a "deliberately Americanized version of the iron eagle" to the website, as well as a link to a YouTube video of Congressman Ron Paul discussing with Fox News host Glenn Beck the rumored existence of FEMA-managed concentration camps.[14][16] Poplawski last logged into Stormfront at 3:32 a.m. Saturday, only hours before the shootings.[17][18] Poplawski also frequently visited and occasionally posted on Alex Jones' Infowars website. One of his frustrations with the site, though, was that it supposedly didn't focus enough on the nefarious roles played by Jews in all these conspiracies. "For being such huge players in the endgame," he observed in a March 29, 2009, posting to Infowars, "too many 'infowarriors' are surprisingly unfamiliar with the Zionists."[14][18] Among Poplawski's "last few links from MySpace" were a Myers-Briggs personality test, and a psychotherapy chart.[11]

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Now for the lies told about the visitors logs
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/05/the-fake-story-about-the-irs-commissioner-and-the-white-house/276399/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/dec/07/glenn-beck/beck-says-labor-leader-most-frequent-white-house-v/

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Another complication is that the first batch of data -- covering the period from Jan. 20, 2009, to July 31, 2009, which found Stern in the lead -- is not a complete accounting of White House visits during that period. It only includes data for visitors whose names were first requested by the public. If no one requested a specific name, that name would not appear in the database. So there's no way of knowing whether Stern actually had the most visits for that period; he simply had the most of anyone whose name was requested by the public. (All records dated after Sept. 15, 2009, will be released, the White House says, with exceptions for issues of national security, personal safety and a few other caveats.)

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1. Williams should have been under Alex Jones.

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Glenn Beck:
Byron Williams
Alex Jones:
Tamerlan Tsarneav
Richard Andrew Poplawski

1. Williams should have been under Alex Jones.

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2. Poplawski's only apparent link to Glenn Beck was Popawski having a link of Ron Paul and Beck discussing FEMA camps.

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Now for the lies told about the visitors logs
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/05/the-fake-story-about-the-irs-commissioner-and-the-white-house/276399/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/dec/07/glenn-beck/beck-says-labor-leader-most-frequent-white-house-v/

I can honestly say that I never heard of the IRS Commissioner story, so I can't comment one way or another on that.

The Glenn Beck story, though, is less cut and dry. A second release, according to the story, of information showed that Andy Sterns was not the most frequent visitor. The second release was a week prior to Beck's airing of the comment. Was Beck wrong? Sure was. He should have kept his information up to date. Did he retract/amend his story? Sure didn't. That is something he should have done, no doubt.

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And, what is also transparent is that you have made the claim that Beck and Jones followers have "a well documented history of violence." That is misleading. Are there violent people that follow Glenn Beck and Alex Jones? You have listed 3. I'd bet there are plenty more, but I'd also bet that almost any group of "followers" includes some violent people.

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Glenn Beck:
Byron Williams
Alex Jones:
Tamerlan Tsarneav
Richard Andrew Poplawski

1. Williams should have been under Alex Jones.

Williams was intending to attack the Tides Foundation a frequent target of Beck and he specifically cited Beck in his statements.

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2. Poplawski's only apparent link to Glenn Beck was Popawski having a link of Ron Paul and Beck discussing FEMA camps.

I listed Poplawski as a follower of Jones. You can tell because his name is under Jones in the listing.

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Now for the lies told about the visitors logs
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/05/the-fake-story-about-the-irs-commissioner-and-the-white-house/276399/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/dec/07/glenn-beck/beck-says-labor-leader-most-frequent-white-house-v/

I can honestly say that I never heard of the IRS Commissioner story, so I can't comment one way or another on that.
The Glenn Beck story, though, is less cut and dry. A second release, according to the story, of information showed that Andy Sterns was not the most frequent visitor. The second release was a week prior to Beck's airing of the comment. Was Beck wrong? Sure was. He should have kept his information up to date. Did he retract/amend his story? Sure didn't. That is something he should have done, no doubt.

You admit he lied, what is there to quibble about?

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And, what is also transparent is that you have made the claim that Beck and Jones followers have "a well documented history of violence." That is misleading. Are there violent people that follow Glenn Beck and Alex Jones? You have listed 3. I'd bet there are plenty more, but I'd also bet that almost any group of "followers" includes some violent people.

I presented people who took violent action based on lies those two spread. That is far more than having followers who are incidentally violent.

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Perhaps you can show us an entirely competent administration in government at any level, with facts, credible citations, and explain such asswipe away as being somehow competent.