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RE: Mr. Grey has been chosen - 10/16/2013 5:25:25 AM

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I have the french version of the story of O with subtitles (I really should learn to speak french) and I have seen a really bad English (language) version of the book that was so bad it was laughable.

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RE: Mr. Grey has been chosen - 10/16/2013 1:11:43 PM

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Has anyone actually read the books!!!

Didn't think so...

At no point did she say she was sub, at no point did he claim to be "bdsm" Dom.

If it makes you uncomfortable, that's your issue.

As one of many who have not read the book, I must admit I am confused. I thought these books were about a BDSM relationship. Is the following Wiki entry completely inaccurate? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty_Shades_of_Grey

Almost everything I've read about these books in the press alludes to the kink/BDSM/power exchange aspect of the the relationship between the lead characters. Are people really reading BDSM into these books when it isn't there?? And why are people doing that? This is an honest question.

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RE: Mr. Grey has been chosen - 10/16/2013 1:31:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: frazzle
Has anyone actually read the books!!!

Didn't think so...

At no point did she say she was sub, at no point did he claim to be "bdsm" Dom.

If it makes you uncomfortable, that's your issue.
As one of many who have not read the book, I must admit I am confused. I thought these books were about a BDSM relationship. Is the following Wiki entry completely inaccurate? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty_Shades_of_Grey

Almost everything I've read about these books in the press alludes to the kink/BDSM/power exchange aspect of the the relationship between the lead characters. Are people really reading BDSM into these books when it isn't there?? And why are people doing that? This is an honest question.

I read all three volumes
Christian Grey has a dungeon in his condo which is used once (I think) in Vol.I; twice in Vol.II; and ZERO in Vol.III

As others have said, BDSM is portrayed as a sickness which Grey was given by the minor character Elvira(?) when he was a teen.

Our heroine "puts up" with it and helps him overcome it for true love.

Just look at the titles:
Fifty Shades of Grey - intro
Fifty Shades Darker - he has her wear Ben-Waa balls to the ball - as an example of a darker BDSM experience than in Vol.I
Fifty Shades Freed - NO dungeon, 2 of their kids running in the meadow at a family picnic is how it ends... you see she, thru sweetness and light, has freed him of his sickness.

Just about every page is x-rated. Took the supermarkets a long time to realize that and start selling plastic wrapped copies. LOL!

Vol.I ends with Ana asking Christian to show him how badly he can punish her if she "misbehaves." He goes into abuse and we all know that isn't the worst punishment. The author is trying to make a cliff hanger, but most felt that VOl.I was the whole story and that BDSM = abuse. (Ana leaves him to return to her college roommate.)

BDSM is NOT what this is about. This is a romantic novel in which the main obstacle to Ana's dream (of a hhouse in the country with two kids) is Christian's sexual practices. Novels end up with the search fulfilled. In VOl.III they're still fucking and sucking but not a toy nor piece of equipment to be seen (FREE! Fifty Shades Freed.)

P.S. Christian is neutral on his "freedom," saying nothing one-way-or-t'other. He gives the house design totally over to Ana, and she doesn't have a replacment for the condos' "red room." He never says, "Honey, did you have plans to put a dungeon in somplace?"

We all know that given unlimited funds, and a total remodel of a country property (i.e. no neighbors to speak of) we'd make damn sure there would be a dungeon.

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RE: Mr. Grey has been chosen - 10/16/2013 2:13:44 PM

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It's kinky Twilight fan fiction minus the vampires
and werewolves. It has bdsm window dressing and
tropes commonly found in romance novels. It's mommy
porn. It's romantic erotica or romantica that is actually
tamer than other titles that fall under that category.

As for the casting stuff. I imagine Charlie Hunnam dropped
out of it because someone talked some sense into him. It's
not a project anyone who wants to be taken seriously as an
actor would want anything to do with. I know that is probably
offensive to fans of the trilogy but that doesn't make it less
true. The movie if its ever made will be pure camp like Showgirls
or Valley of the Dolls. Or it will be if its lucky enough to be so
bad it's enjoyable.

An actor of Michael Fassbender's stature would never do a
piece of kitsch like this. Never, ever. In any case some of
the fangirls think he's to old for the part. Christian is I
believe in his late twenties, MF is in his mid thirties.

Matthew Bomer looks the part or closely and he's a
decent actor. Not on the level of a Fassbender but
higher than the average soap actor. He is however
openly gay and there are concerns this will disorientate
some fangirls. I suspect if the project moves forward
they'll cast a relatively unknown actor probably a
model/actor type whose never going to be thought of
as an actor of Michael Fassbender's stripe.

The film based on this trilogy isn't going to be treated
as seriously as Secretary because Secretary was based
on source material that was given more respect. It was
based on Mary Gaitsklll's writing and she is in a different
league than James is. Shades will be lucky to get the
respect a Zalman King production.

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RE: Mr. Grey has been chosen - 10/16/2013 3:42:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: frazzle
Has anyone actually read the books!!!

Didn't think so...

At no point did she say she was sub, at no point did he claim to be "bdsm" Dom.

If it makes you uncomfortable, that's your issue.

I read the first one and half of the second. I just couldn't get through the second one because the writing was so bad. I have a library of thousands of books. I've suffered through some real rubbish writing. This was the worst I've ever read that was published.

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RE: Mr. Grey has been chosen - 10/16/2013 5:34:10 PM

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I have never read the book but I like older men..I know this might sound funny but Ed O'Neil from the show "Modern Family" would be a good pick for me....but that is just me....and I never watched him on that old show "Married with Children"...go figure!

The guy they picked I think will be good for the 20 somethings and the teens...oh well....

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RE: Mr. Grey has been chosen - 10/16/2013 6:22:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes
I read all three volumes
Christian Grey has a dungeon in his condo which is used once (I think) in Vol.I; twice in Vol.II; and ZERO in Vol.III

As others have said, BDSM is portrayed as a sickness which Grey was given by the minor character Elvira(?) when he was a teen.

Our heroine "puts up" with it and helps him overcome it for true love.

Just look at the titles:
Fifty Shades of Grey - intro
Fifty Shades Darker - he has her wear Ben-Waa balls to the ball - as an example of a darker BDSM experience than in Vol.I
Fifty Shades Freed - NO dungeon, 2 of their kids running in the meadow at a family picnic is how it ends... you see she, thru sweetness and light, has freed him of his sickness.

(First off, thanks for this.)

Well, I had not read the books because I had been told, by many, on the vanilla and BDSM side, that they were very poorly written. I had thought, based on my friends' descriptions (most of whom did not read all three books) that they were a sort of Harlequin Romance meets BDSM-lite kind of thing.

But the way this trilogy ends is quite disconcerting. I'm not sure any of us into BDSM should be supportive of these books. I don't consider BDSM a sickness that is in need of curing. And I consider it incredibly unfortunate that these books are so popular. I did not realize that the books were simply using BDSM to titillate, but at their core have the message that BDSM is wrong, only wounded people participate, you need to "recover" from BDSM sort of the way an alcoholic needs to go thru 12 steps. Makes me sick (sound of retching in the background).

Guess I'll just settle in and re-read the Beauty Trilogy. At least Anne Rice was not exploiting BDSM just to sell books.

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RE: Mr. Grey has been chosen - 10/16/2013 6:43:17 PM

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It's not a project anyone who wants to be taken seriously as an
actor would want anything to do with. I know that is probably
offensive to fans of the trilogy but that doesn't make it less
true. The movie if its ever made will be pure camp like Showgirls
or Valley of the Dolls. Or it will be if its lucky enough to be so
bad it's enjoyable.

I don't know if I agree with this. Wasn't Lee Grant (who would later in her career go on to win an Oscar amongst other awards) in Valley of the Dolls? And didn't Kyle Maclachlan appear in Showgirls, despite having a career closely tied with the brilliant director David Lynch. I'm not sure camp necessarily precludes serious actors from taking on a role or a project that they either find personally interesting, or a project from which they think they could make some money. And this film, whether camp or not, will make some $$

Most actors will have a few critical or boxoffice (sometimes both) duds in their anthology. Just part of the profession.

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RE: Mr. Grey has been chosen - 10/16/2013 8:19:15 PM

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Lee Grant's career was interrupted when she
was blacklisted in the 50's. She started getting
back on her feet in the sixties with Dolls and
In the Heat of the Night. She's a wonderful actress
but wasn't on the A list when she did Dolls. She
plays a supporting role in any case. Jennifer Ehle
who has been cast in Shades in a supporting role
is also a respected actress but she isn't a big name.
But like Lee Grant she's much better than the material
she's going to have to work with.

The biggest name in Dolls was Susan Hayward in one of
her last if not the last role of her career. The cast of b and c
list actors mostly tv actors was a long way from the
one Jacqueline Susann wanted. She imagined Robert
Redford, Jane Fonda, Elvis Presley and Mia Farrow.

I'm not sure how thrilled Kyle is about having been
in Showgirls. Outside of Lynch he hasn't done much
in the way of prestigious work that I can think of
unless you want to count Sex in the City. I think he's
pretty stiff as an actor.

An A list leading man actor or one building to that is
going to be choosy about the parts he takes. They
might do a big splashy action movie for the money
and to raise their box office profile but not something
like this movie. I doubt the actors are being paid that
much by Hollywood standards. The choice of Dakota
Johnson for the female lead would seem to confirm that
as well. The only way actors make money from a movie
other than their salaries is if they have what are known
as points which gives them a piece of the box office.
This perk is reserved for stars to sweeten the deal.
I doubt anyone in this cast will get points.

I also doubt this movie if its ever made will be much of
a box office success. Best selling books don't always
make blockbuster movies. Dolls wasn't a successful
movie. It picked up a following long after it was released
in the theaters. Time will tell if it gets made or is a
success if it does get made. But I don't believe a A list
actor or one that's in the chute to become one would
touch this thing with a ten foot pole.

There are various sorts of critical and box office duds.
Some things just flop or lay an egg. Others are massive
stink bombs that are hard to live down.

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RE: Mr. Grey has been chosen - 10/16/2013 11:14:20 PM

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and once again, Fan Fic, no matter who it's dolled up, is to a real book what a remora is to a shark.

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RE: Mr. Grey has been chosen - 10/18/2013 12:11:13 PM

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So explain to me why Julianne Moore is in the remake of Carrie?? I realize Kimberley Peirce is directing, but seriously?? I have to believe it's for the $$. Doesn't seem like an A-list actor choice to me.......

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RE: Mr. Grey has been chosen - 10/18/2013 2:31:09 PM

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Julianne Moore is a great beauty and a great actress
She's also in her early fifties which is an awkward age
for beautiful actresses in terms of what roles they get
offered. There are any number of reasons she might
have taken the part. The paycheck and points which she
can get because she's a star. A commercial project like
Carrie keeps her name out there with the public. The role
of the mother in Carrie is a juicy role, Piper Laurie won a
Oscar nomination for it. Carrie is a horror movie but not
like Friday the 13th is a horror movie. Stephen King is in
an entirely different ballpark as a writer than EL James.
People don't talk about Carrie like its a smirky dirty joke.

Book Riot has a piece up called What Will 50 Shades Do
If It Can't Find It's Leading Man? Humorous. It states
that Hunnam was only offered $125,000 to be in the
movie. Not a lot of $$ by Hollywood standards, another
indicator a lot of money isn't being put into the project.
Some possible reasons for that include thinking there's
a good chance it will tank at the box office or it has the
potential to be an embarrassment to everyone involved.

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RE: Mr. Grey has been chosen - 10/18/2013 5:37:03 PM

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If Juliane Moore is playing the nutbag MOTHER of Carrie, Juliane Moore's wackiness is oddly appropriate for a modern take on it. Hardcore religious zeal versus meth-head/pot-head psychosis can dovetail well in a tightly written script.

Sadly I'm betting this will just be one more cockless Gen Y asswank rip-off "mash-up" remake ala the craptacular "Evil Dead" and the weak-as-Budweiser-Lite Gen Y version of "The Fog".

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RE: Mr. Grey has been chosen - 10/18/2013 6:20:06 PM

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This thread has made me laugh. Not because of the casting choices for 50 Shades of Grey (in which I believe the studios wimped out on their choice in Hunnam due to worry about what "fans" would think). It is ludicrous to base your choices in casting on some people whining about their fantasy choice not being realized. I mean, it could not possibly occur to the complainers that the guy could be a good actor and that good acting and being cast in a movie is not always dependent on looks alone. Interestingly, I don't think Matt Bomer would be a bad choice, but find Michael Fassbender to be a far more superior actor, one of the best of his generation. He could play anything and improves any film he is in.

As for the discussions on why actors choose their roles, that cannot be simplified. There are many reasons. Money, a need to work, love of a particular piece of work, a book, a writer, a director, other actors in the movie, a need to stretch themselves, a need to just do something fun after particularly grueling parts, a need to prove themselves, and they love to work. They need to, at least good actors do.

Spend any time with a movie buff, and on IMdb and read all about the bios of actors and actresses. You may be surprised at the caliber and breadth of roles all actors, A, B, C or D have accomplished.

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RE: Mr. Grey has been chosen - 10/18/2013 6:49:58 PM

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Or be someone who has completed writing which has been read by at least one top ten prodco/studio.

I assume yours has, sexy-red?

Notes from being a "Reader" as per "pass, consider, recco" do not count.

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