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Hillwilliam -> The scum is dead (9/4/2013 5:17:29 AM)
http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-man-held-3-women-captive-commits-suicide-043500304.html Saved the taxpayers a lot of money.

Zonie63 -> RE: The scum is dead (9/4/2013 5:32:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-man-held-3-women-captive-commits-suicide-043500304.html Saved the taxpayers a lot of money. I was reading about this earlier. I have somewhat mixed feelings about it. I agree it saves the taxpayers money, although part of me wishes he could have suffered a little longer. It's almost like he got off easy.

DarkSteven -> RE: The scum is dead (9/4/2013 5:44:28 AM)
I'm glad it happened, although I'm surprised they didn't think he was suicidal. I got that impression just reading his statements. And that's the second hanging suicide there in a month? Don't they review incidents?

DesideriScuri -> RE: The scum is dead (9/4/2013 6:01:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-man-held-3-women-captive-commits-suicide-043500304.html Saved the taxpayers a lot of money. I was reading about this earlier. I have somewhat mixed feelings about it. I agree it saves the taxpayers money, although part of me wishes he could have suffered a little longer. It's almost like he got off easy. Got off easy? He's dead. Sometimes I wonder if the whole idea that a monster has to live the rest of his life behind bars thinking about what he did, is actually worth it. The loss of freedom is one thing, but is it possible that's the only thing? Some of those "people" may not have the capability to suffer the consequences of their actions, forever rotting in a jail cell as they get to stew over what they did wrong.

BamaD -> RE: The scum is dead (9/4/2013 6:09:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-man-held-3-women-captive-commits-suicide-043500304.html Saved the taxpayers a lot of money. I was reading about this earlier. I have somewhat mixed feelings about it. I agree it saves the taxpayers money, although part of me wishes he could have suffered a little longer. It's almost like he got off easy. Got off easy? He's dead. Sometimes I wonder if the whole idea that a monster has to live the rest of his life behind bars thinking about what he did, is actually worth it. The loss of freedom is one thing, but is it possible that's the only thing? Some of those "people" may not have the capability to suffer the consequences of their actions, forever rotting in a jail cell as they get to stew over what they did wrong. A monster like this might have spent the rest of his life reveling in what he did.

Marc2b -> RE: The scum is dead (9/4/2013 6:28:41 AM)
Coward.

Zonie63 -> RE: The scum is dead (9/4/2013 6:54:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-man-held-3-women-captive-commits-suicide-043500304.html Saved the taxpayers a lot of money. I was reading about this earlier. I have somewhat mixed feelings about it. I agree it saves the taxpayers money, although part of me wishes he could have suffered a little longer. It's almost like he got off easy. Got off easy? He's dead. Sometimes I wonder if the whole idea that a monster has to live the rest of his life behind bars thinking about what he did, is actually worth it. The loss of freedom is one thing, but is it possible that's the only thing? Some of those "people" may not have the capability to suffer the consequences of their actions, forever rotting in a jail cell as they get to stew over what they did wrong. I get what you're saying, although there's also the idea of "cheating the hangman" (even though he wasn't given a death sentence, but the analogy might be loosely applied here). Society has a right to seek justice. The criminal has to pay his debt to society. If that debt remains unpaid, society is cheated. I think there was a case of somebody on death row who tried to commit suicide, and they made a concerted effort to save his life, just to execute him a few days later. It seems kind of pointless to save his life just to kill him later, but I can understand the reasoning behind it. I can understand it from a practical point of view. We're all better off that the scum is dead, so I get that part of it. (My darker side sometimes wonders if prisons shouldn't just hand out cyanide free to any inmate who wants to off themselves.)

DesideriScuri -> RE: The scum is dead (9/4/2013 7:05:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-man-held-3-women-captive-commits-suicide-043500304.html Saved the taxpayers a lot of money. I was reading about this earlier. I have somewhat mixed feelings about it. I agree it saves the taxpayers money, although part of me wishes he could have suffered a little longer. It's almost like he got off easy. Got off easy? He's dead. Sometimes I wonder if the whole idea that a monster has to live the rest of his life behind bars thinking about what he did, is actually worth it. The loss of freedom is one thing, but is it possible that's the only thing? Some of those "people" may not have the capability to suffer the consequences of their actions, forever rotting in a jail cell as they get to stew over what they did wrong. I get what you're saying, although there's also the idea of "cheating the hangman" (even though he wasn't given a death sentence, but the analogy might be loosely applied here). Society has a right to seek justice. The criminal has to pay his debt to society. If that debt remains unpaid, society is cheated. What was the debt to society this guy was going to pay? Was his debt to live out the rest of his natural life on the dime of society? If there was labor to be extracted from those inmates, that's one thing, but what was there truly to be gained? Is it truly justice for society to support this guy for the rest of his life (which they did, I point out in a darkly humorous way)? quote: I think there was a case of somebody on death row who tried to commit suicide, and they made a concerted effort to save his life, just to execute him a few days later. It seems kind of pointless to save his life just to kill him later, but I can understand the reasoning behind it. I'm pretty sure it happened in Ohio. I think they found him and resuscitated him a couple days before he was set to be put to death. It pushed back his execution for like 2 weeks while he recovered from the attempted suicide. I get the reasoning, but it seems paradoxical to save a man from suicide and nurse him back to health so he can be put to death. That's a head-scratcher, for sure. quote: I can understand it from a practical point of view. We're all better off that the scum is dead, so I get that part of it. (My darker side sometimes wonders if prisons shouldn't just hand out cyanide free to any inmate who wants to off themselves.) There will be a cyanide allergy developed, though. Then, we won't be able to hand out cyanide to inmates who want to kill themselves because they might have an allergic reaction as they died. [8D]

leonine -> RE: The scum is dead (9/4/2013 7:27:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-man-held-3-women-captive-commits-suicide-043500304.html Saved the taxpayers a lot of money. I was reading about this earlier. I have somewhat mixed feelings about it. I agree it saves the taxpayers money, although part of me wishes he could have suffered a little longer. It's almost like he got off easy. Got off easy? He's dead. Sometimes I wonder if the whole idea that a monster has to live the rest of his life behind bars thinking about what he did, is actually worth it. The loss of freedom is one thing, but is it possible that's the only thing? Some of those "people" may not have the capability to suffer the consequences of their actions, forever rotting in a jail cell as they get to stew over what they did wrong. The evidence is that a lot of them still believe, decades on, that they didn't do it, and if they did it wasn't as bad as they said, it was self-defence, it was an accident, she deserved it. As far as they're concerned they only suffer from injured innocence.

JeffBC -> RE: The scum is dead (9/4/2013 8:30:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 I get what you're saying, although there's also the idea of "cheating the hangman" (even though he wasn't given a death sentence, but the analogy might be loosely applied here). Society has a right to seek justice. The criminal has to pay his debt to society. If that debt remains unpaid, society is cheated. And this sentence, right here, sounds like the writing of a bloodthirsty monster. Would you are to toss in a side of torture with your suffering? You (collectively -- American society) and your veangance may dance with each other all you want. You probably tell yourself your good and righteous while you are doing it. From the outside it is obscene. I often wonder how many americans, given the chance would actually deliver on the horrific promises of torture they make on these boards.

MasterCaneman -> RE: The scum is dead (9/4/2013 8:50:42 AM)
Meh. What does it matter now? The guy's dead and the people of Ohio don't have to pay to keep him locked up for the rest of his life. The less said about him the better.

Hillwilliam -> RE: The scum is dead (9/4/2013 8:50:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC I often wonder how many americans, given the chance would actually deliver on the horrific promises of torture they make on these boards. I daresay a lot more on this site than you might imagine. There are a LOT of Sadists and other assorted sick pups on here and if the authorities said "here's a guy who repeatedly raped, starved and tortured 3 girls for 10 years, do with him what you wish and we won't do anything to stop you" there would be a lot of takers. Imagine if you were a really hardcore Sadist and someone told you that SSC and RACK are out the window. If your toy dies, don't worry about it he did these things so you're just saving the taxpayers money.

tazzygirl -> RE: The scum is dead (9/4/2013 9:47:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman Meh. What does it matter now? The guy's dead and the people of Ohio don't have to pay to keep him locked up for the rest of his life. The less said about him the better. I agree.

Lucylastic -> RE: The scum is dead (9/4/2013 10:58:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC I often wonder how many americans, given the chance would actually deliver on the horrific promises of torture they make on these boards. I daresay a lot more on this site than you might imagine. There are a LOT of Sadists and other assorted sick pups on here and if the authorities said "here's a guy who repeatedly raped, starved and tortured 3 girls for 10 years, do with him what you wish and we won't do anything to stop you" there would be a lot of takers. Imagine if you were a really hardcore Sadist and someone told you that SSC and RACK are out the window. If your toy dies, don't worry about it he did these things so you're just saving the taxpayers money. there are also more than a few that would love to emulate what he did... Having said that.. im not sorry he topped himself... I hope the women have fruitful and happier lives.

RottenJohnny -> RE: The scum is dead (9/4/2013 2:14:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam There are a LOT of Sadists and other assorted sick pups on here and if the authorities said "here's a guy who repeatedly raped, starved and tortured 3 girls for 10 years, do with him what you wish and we won't do anything to stop you" there would be a lot of takers. Torture him? Not really interested in that. Use a large caliber handgun to turn his head into a canoe? Hmmm...

Zonie63 -> RE: The scum is dead (9/4/2013 4:30:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 I get what you're saying, although there's also the idea of "cheating the hangman" (even though he wasn't given a death sentence, but the analogy might be loosely applied here). Society has a right to seek justice. The criminal has to pay his debt to society. If that debt remains unpaid, society is cheated. And this sentence, right here, sounds like the writing of a bloodthirsty monster. Would you are to toss in a side of torture with your suffering? You (collectively -- American society) and your veangance may dance with each other all you want. You probably tell yourself your good and righteous while you are doing it. From the outside it is obscene. I often wonder how many americans, given the chance would actually deliver on the horrific promises of torture they make on these boards. I didn't say anything about torture.

Zonie63 -> RE: The scum is dead (9/4/2013 4:50:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri What was the debt to society this guy was going to pay? Was his debt to live out the rest of his natural life on the dime of society? If there was labor to be extracted from those inmates, that's one thing, but what was there truly to be gained? Is it truly justice for society to support this guy for the rest of his life (which they did, I point out in a darkly humorous way)? I understand perfectly what you're saying. As taxpayers, we don't want to pay to support these scumbags; I get that. He's dead now, and the taxpayers won't have to support him. But the thing is, society didn't order his execution. He wasn't given the death penalty, so in the eyes of the law and society, he was expected to serve out his sentence. That's what was decided in court. He chose his demise, as a way of saying "fuck you" to society and to his victims. (I suppose I might feel differently if another inmate killed him, as what happened with Dahmer.) quote: I'm pretty sure it happened in Ohio. I think they found him and resuscitated him a couple days before he was set to be put to death. It pushed back his execution for like 2 weeks while he recovered from the attempted suicide. I get the reasoning, but it seems paradoxical to save a man from suicide and nurse him back to health so he can be put to death. That's a head-scratcher, for sure. There are some paradoxes about how the system works, I agree. quote: quote: I can understand it from a practical point of view. We're all better off that the scum is dead, so I get that part of it. (My darker side sometimes wonders if prisons shouldn't just hand out cyanide free to any inmate who wants to off themselves.) There will be a cyanide allergy developed, though. Then, we won't be able to hand out cyanide to inmates who want to kill themselves because they might have an allergic reaction as they died. [8D] Well, it wasn't really a serious suggestion. I'm not really such the bloodthirsty monster that JeffBC seems to think I am, but I believe in justice. But if it's really okay with everyone here that prison inmates be allowed to commit suicide whenever they wish (because it would save society money), I wouldn't necessarily put much energy into opposing it, although it would still seem wrong to me.

DesideriScuri -> RE: The scum is dead (9/4/2013 5:05:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri What was the debt to society this guy was going to pay? Was his debt to live out the rest of his natural life on the dime of society? If there was labor to be extracted from those inmates, that's one thing, but what was there truly to be gained? Is it truly justice for society to support this guy for the rest of his life (which they did, I point out in a darkly humorous way)? I understand perfectly what you're saying. As taxpayers, we don't want to pay to support these scumbags; I get that. He's dead now, and the taxpayers won't have to support him. But the thing is, society didn't order his execution. He wasn't given the death penalty, so in the eyes of the law and society, he was expected to serve out his sentence. That's what was decided in court. He chose his demise, as a way of saying "fuck you" to society and to his victims. (I suppose I might feel differently if another inmate killed him, as what happened with Dahmer.) And, here is where I don't quite understand the sentence. What's the point of allowing this guy to continue to live? Life in prison without parole + 1000 years? Does that mean his body is going to be in a cell for the next 1000 years? I understand the concept of paying one's debt to society, but how was this guy supposed to do that?

HarryVanWinkle -> RE: The scum is dead (9/4/2013 5:06:46 PM)
The number of tears I shed after reading this story was uncountable. But. the chopped onions sure went well in the omelet.

MasterCaneman -> RE: The scum is dead (9/4/2013 5:08:44 PM)
Does that mean his body is going to be in a cell for the next 1000 years? I understand the concept of paying one's debt to society, but how was this guy supposed to do that? You gotta admit, it would serve as a deterrent for anyone else put in that cell. Only real way to do that would be to not release the body to the family (as if they would take it now anyway) and bury him on prison grounds.

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