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ORIGINAL: BamaD

The biggest problem with accuracy in the theater was the low light or dark atmosphere. Even with an accurate handgun its difficult to line up the sights in the dark from a significant distance. In the theater the situation would boil down to tactics. If you're not within 5 or maybe 8 rows from the shooter you will have to work your way in closer without getting shot. Keep in mind the shooter has the same accuracy problem in the dark. He's just shooting indiscriminately every witch way with a crap load of ammo and guns as fast as he can. The fact that he has a rifle probably doesn't mean much if anything because the armed citizen, unknown to the shooter has a tactical advantage in that regard. I believe the shooter also had a shotgun witch would be the more problematic gun.


Three comments on this.

One the shooter was standing in front of the screen and the movie was running giving a well illuminated target,
Two due to the crappy large capacity magazines he was using the AR jammed almost instantly "forcing" him to use the more deadly shotgun
Three he was a coward, he surrendered at the first sign of armed opposition.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

.....I always appreciate it when someone responds to what I actually said.....

K.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

The biggest problem with accuracy in the theater was the low light or dark atmosphere. Even with an accurate handgun its difficult to line up the sights in the dark from a significant distance. In the theater the situation would boil down to tactics. If you're not within 5 or maybe 8 rows from the shooter you will have to work your way in closer without getting shot. Keep in mind the shooter has the same accuracy problem in the dark. He's just shooting indiscriminately every witch way with a crap load of ammo and guns as fast as he can. The fact that he has a rifle probably doesn't mean much if anything because the armed citizen, unknown to the shooter has a tactical advantage in that regard. I believe the shooter also had a shotgun witch would be the more problematic gun.


Three comments on this.

One the shooter was standing in front of the screen and the movie was running giving a well illuminated target,
Two due to the crappy large capacity magazines he was using the AR jammed almost instantly "forcing" him to use the more deadly shotgun
Three he was a coward, he surrendered at the first sign of armed opposition.

Basically I was commenting on what Tweakable wrote and her misunderstanding of handguns, handguns vs rifles and the likelyhood of an armed citizen putting the guy down. I should have said it *might* boil down to tactics. I actually wasn't sure precisely what the lighting situation was. I do know that I have been to the movies, gone off to the bathroom then come back and not able to find the person I came with because its so dark. It really depends on if there is a night or daylight type of scene playing up on the screen. I do know that when I'm at the range while its getting dark and I'm firing at a black bulls eye at 25 yards, my groups start to open up until I can't hit shit when its finally dark. If you're towards the back of theater and all you have is let's say a little .38 5 shot snub nose I would think I might be somewhat less confident about hitting my target, even if the screen is all lit up. The next time I'm in a theater I'll remember this thread and assess the situation.

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

The biggest problem with accuracy in the theater was the low light or dark atmosphere. Even with an accurate handgun its difficult to line up the sights in the dark from a significant distance. In the theater the situation would boil down to tactics. If you're not within 5 or maybe 8 rows from the shooter you will have to work your way in closer without getting shot. Keep in mind the shooter has the same accuracy problem in the dark. He's just shooting indiscriminately every witch way with a crap load of ammo and guns as fast as he can. The fact that he has a rifle probably doesn't mean much if anything because the armed citizen, unknown to the shooter has a tactical advantage in that regard. I believe the shooter also had a shotgun witch would be the more problematic gun.


Three comments on this.

One the shooter was standing in front of the screen and the movie was running giving a well illuminated target,
Two due to the crappy large capacity magazines he was using the AR jammed almost instantly "forcing" him to use the more deadly shotgun
Three he was a coward, he surrendered at the first sign of armed opposition.

Basically I was commenting on what Tweakable wrote and her misunderstanding of handguns, handguns vs rifles and the likelyhood of an armed citizen putting the guy down. I should have said it *might* boil down to tactics. I actually wasn't sure precisely what the lighting situation was. I do know that I have been to the movies, gone off to the bathroom then come back and not able to find the person I came with because its so dark. It really depends on if there is a night or daylight type of scene playing up on the screen. I do know that when I'm at the range while its getting dark and I'm firing at a black bulls eye at 25 yards, my groups start to open up until I can't hit shit when its finally dark. If you're towards the back of theater and all you have is let's say a little .38 5 shot snub nose I would think I might be somewhat less confident about hitting my target, even if the screen is all lit up. The next time I'm in a theater I'll remember this thread and assess the situation.

As a fairly competent pistol shot, I would be extremely reluctant attempting anything like that with a .38 snubbie. The only practical way for one to do that would be to close with the target to within ten feet or so. And in a theater, with straight-line aisles, seats, and a horde of panicked patrons, it'd be nearly impossible. A laser sight may help, but the backlighting of the screen could cause problems. It would probably be more effective to use the sight itself to blind or disorient the shooter.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

The biggest problem with accuracy in the theater was the low light or dark atmosphere. Even with an accurate handgun its difficult to line up the sights in the dark from a significant distance. In the theater the situation would boil down to tactics. If you're not within 5 or maybe 8 rows from the shooter you will have to work your way in closer without getting shot. Keep in mind the shooter has the same accuracy problem in the dark. He's just shooting indiscriminately every witch way with a crap load of ammo and guns as fast as he can. The fact that he has a rifle probably doesn't mean much if anything because the armed citizen, unknown to the shooter has a tactical advantage in that regard. I believe the shooter also had a shotgun witch would be the more problematic gun.


Three comments on this.

One the shooter was standing in front of the screen and the movie was running giving a well illuminated target,
Two due to the crappy large capacity magazines he was using the AR jammed almost instantly "forcing" him to use the more deadly shotgun
Three he was a coward, he surrendered at the first sign of armed opposition.

Basically I was commenting on what Tweakable wrote and her misunderstanding of handguns, handguns vs rifles and the likelyhood of an armed citizen putting the guy down. I should have said it *might* boil down to tactics. I actually wasn't sure precisely what the lighting situation was. I do know that I have been to the movies, gone off to the bathroom then come back and not able to find the person I came with because its so dark. It really depends on if there is a night or daylight type of scene playing up on the screen. I do know that when I'm at the range while its getting dark and I'm firing at a black bulls eye at 25 yards, my groups start to open up until I can't hit shit when its finally dark. If you're towards the back of theater and all you have is let's say a little .38 5 shot snub nose I would think I might be somewhat less confident about hitting my target, even if the screen is all lit up. The next time I'm in a theater I'll remember this thread and assess the situation.

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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Indeed, but my cinematic experiences were more to do with learning to undo bra straps in the dark.

Your mother must have loved going to the cinema with you.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

I'm glad that you guys have finally "seen the light"... Hopefully this is the end of this particular fantasy.

Yeah really, I don't know how we could have disagreed with you. It's all so clear now. Having guys with guns at the scene isn't the answer. The correct thing to do is get on the phone and summon guys with guns to the scene.

K.

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Having no guns is a better answer. N`est pas ?

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Having no guns is a better answer. N`est pas ?

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Three he was a coward, he surrendered at the first sign of armed opposition.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


You can see fine in a theater. The screen is a virtual wall of light. I wouldn't recommend trying to read a book, unless you hold it up and turn it around so the light from the screen hits the page. But can you see? Hell yes you can see. Everybody saw the shooter! They just thought he was part of the opening night programme, until people started getting hit.

And how did the assumption that you have to be able to hit him right off slip into this? Is it reasonable to suppose that the fellow is just going to stand there whistling a tune and squeezing off rounds with a couple of people emptying their magazines at him? If he does, he's going to catch a couple for sure. If not, that's why suppressive fire is called "suppressive."

Either is good.

K.

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


You can see fine in a theater. The screen is a virtual wall of light. I wouldn't recommend trying to read a book, unless you hold it up and turn it around so the light from the screen hits the page. But can you see? Hell yes you can see. Everybody saw the shooter! They just thought he was part of the opening night programme, until people started getting hit.

And how did the assumption that you have to be able to hit him right off slip into this? Is it reasonable to suppose that the fellow is just going to stand there whistling a tune and squeezing off rounds with a couple of people emptying their magazines at him? If he does, he's going to catch a couple for sure. If not, that's why suppressive fire is called "suppressive."

Either is good.

K.

While I have never walked into a theater with the thought of "Hey, I could get into a gunfight here," it's designed be be dark everywhere but the screen. Depending on the angle and one's location, he might be a perfect silhouette. And the Colorado shooter (from what I've read) pretty much did just that-stood in one spot shooting at people.

It has been surmised that guys who do that are acting out a scene from their video game. Again, while I would be reluctant about taking a shot in chaos like that, I didn't completely rule it out if the ideal situation presented itself. "Nearly impossible" is still not "impossible".

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Having no guns is a better answer. N`est pas ?

How can people sit in a cinema and enjoy a film with the thought of a gunfight at the back of their minds? It just flabbergasts me.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

I'm glad that you guys have finally "seen the light".

The armed citizen scenario is not the straightforward lay down misere previously claimed. I note that one of you even agrees that it would be "practically impossible".

Hopefully this is the end of this particular fantasy.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Having no guns is a better answer. N`est pas ?

How can people sit in a cinema and enjoy a film with the thought of a gunfight at the back of their minds? It just flabbergasts me.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I carry a Tarus millenium pro and always sit it the middle seats, best view of the stage, best line too shoot so that isn't a problem for me.
Finding a seat in the dark and seeing someone standing in front of the screen are two different things.