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RE: "yeah , I shot that kid" 8 year old in me... - 9/7/2013 9:32:10 PM

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Would you care to see the numbers of B kills W vs W kills B vs B kills B?

The guy, apparently, had been there earlier that day, according to the CBS site. Sounds like he may have been staking the place out. Note, I said.. may. If it was a crime of opportunity, returning to the place would negate that, dont you think? Surely he came across many opportunities between afternoon and dusk.

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RE: "yeah , I shot that kid" 8 year old in me... - 9/8/2013 5:03:54 AM

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Well if we are going to call every black kid killed by a white guy Trayvon, what are we going to call the black kids killed by black kids. Or don't you care about them?

This is typical of the comments thrown about by those who want to deny the facts. This kid wasnt shot by any kid, black or white, he was shot by a white adult who decided to make him a target. An eight year old, killed while playing in the street, and for what ?

The remark about me not caring for black kids killed by black kids is pretty low, even for you. I would have thought that it was obvious from my anti gun stance that my views on the subject of gun violence were well known around here. I guess not.

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RE: "yeah , I shot that kid" 8 year old in me... - 9/8/2013 6:07:20 AM

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RE: "yeah , I shot that kid" 8 year old in me... - 9/10/2013 3:08:11 PM

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RE: "yeah , I shot that kid" 8 year old in me... - 9/10/2013 3:35:11 PM

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So explain why he didnt kill a white kid ?

Perhaps after having decided to kill a kid at all he wasn't that concerned with being politically correct.

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Do you really think he hung around for ages and shot a black kid by chance ?

It's irresponsible to cry racism without having a compelling reason to think so. All we know is that it might have been racially motivated. To claim that it was, without having more reason to think so than the fact that a white shooter and black victim were involved, is itself racist.

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RE: "yeah , I shot that kid" 8 year old in me... - 9/10/2013 3:41:39 PM

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Ordinary people when discussing a USA marine say no more than that. One knows that it is a racist talking when someone when talking about a USA marine adds that it was an African-American USA marine.

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RE: "yeah , I shot that kid" 8 year old in me... - 9/10/2013 4:02:51 PM

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Ordinary people when discussing a USA marine say no more than that. One knows that it is a racist talking when someone when talking about a USA marine adds that it was an African-American USA marine.

That might depend on context but, in general, I would agree.

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RE: "yeah , I shot that kid" 8 year old in me... - 9/10/2013 4:42:27 PM

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So explain why he didnt kill a white kid ?

Perhaps after having decided to kill a kid at all he wasn't that concerned with being politically correct.

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Do you really think he hung around for ages and shot a black kid by chance ?

It's irresponsible to cry racism without having a compelling reason to think so. All we know is that it might have been racially motivated. To claim that it was, without having more reason to think so than the fact that a white shooter and black victim were involved, is itself racist.

The reasons you quoted are compelling as well as being factually correct. Are you seriously suggesting pointing out know facts about the killer is racist ?

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RE: "yeah , I shot that kid" 8 year old in me... - 9/10/2013 4:48:46 PM

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Ordinary people when discussing a USA marine say no more than that. One knows that it is a racist talking when someone when talking about a USA marine adds that it was an African-American USA marine.

That might depend on context but, in general, I would agree.

FFS context is everything, its clear enough in my posts.

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RE: "yeah , I shot that kid" 8 year old in me... - 9/10/2013 4:53:01 PM

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It's irresponsible to cry racism without having a compelling reason to think so. All we know is that it might have been racially motivated. To claim that it was, without having more reason to think so than the fact that a white shooter and black victim were involved, is itself racist.

The reasons you quoted are compelling as well as being factually correct. Are you seriously suggesting pointing out know facts about the killer is racist ?

I think the suggestion being made is that merely citing the respective races of the parties is insufficient to support a charge of racism. I don't doubt that people are telling the truth when they claim to see "racism" where evidence of any is lacking. But unless they're psychic, the "racism" they're seeing must of necessity be somewhere else.

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RE: "yeah , I shot that kid" 8 year old in me... - 9/10/2013 5:18:56 PM

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The reasons you quoted are compelling as well as being factually correct. Are you seriously suggesting pointing out know facts about the killer is racist ?

The facts are that a white man deliberately shot a black kid. Absent, so far, is any proof or evidence that he shot him because he was black. That is certainly possible, but is is by no means certain, so I'm merely asking you to recognise that it's also possible for a white man to shoot a black kid for some other reason than race. Just as it is possible for a man to shoot a woman for some other reason than gender, or a rich person to shoot a poor person for some other reason than socioeconomic status.

You may well be right, but it seems irresponsible to jump to that conclusion precipitously. That's all I'm saying.

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RE: "yeah , I shot that kid" 8 year old in me... - 9/10/2013 6:08:38 PM

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The reasons you quoted are compelling as well as being factually correct. Are you seriously suggesting pointing out know facts about the killer is racist ?

The facts are that a white man deliberately shot a black kid. Absent, so far, is any proof or evidence that he shot him because he was black. That is certainly possible, but is is by no means certain, so I'm merely asking you to recognise that it's also possible for a white man to shoot a black kid for some other reason than race. Just as it is possible for a man to shoot a woman for some other reason than gender, or a rich person to shoot a poor person for some other reason than socioeconomic status.

You may well be right, but it seems irresponsible to jump to that conclusion precipitously. That's all I'm saying.

I may have missed something so bring me up to date.
The story posted doesn't have any witnesses to the shooting.
Have they confirmed that the shooting was deliberate?
Several people have expressed knowledge that was not included in the post.
Did he hang around for hours?
I am not disputing any statements just trying to catch up.
Did the kid die?

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RE: "yeah , I shot that kid" 8 year old in me... - 9/10/2013 6:24:56 PM

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I may have missed something so bring me up to date.
The story posted doesn't have any witnesses to the shooting.
Have they confirmed that the shooting was deliberate?

No, not absolutely. I'm making an assumption from the fact that the guy was quoted as saying "Yeah, I shot that kid," without explaining that it was an accident or expressing remorse. Also, a 2.2 million dollar bond would be excessive for an accident.

Several people have expressed knowledge that was not included in the post.

Did he hang around for hours?

The articles says he was parked in the area for hours.

Did the kid die?

According to the article, he is in critical but stable condition.

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RE: "yeah , I shot that kid" 8 year old in me... - 9/10/2013 6:43:44 PM

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I may have missed something so bring me up to date.
The story posted doesn't have any witnesses to the shooting.
Have they confirmed that the shooting was deliberate?

No, not absolutely. I'm making an assumption from the fact that the guy was quoted as saying "Yeah, I shot that kid," without explaining that it was an accident or expressing remorse. Also, a 2.2 million dollar bond would be excessive for an accident.

Several people have expressed knowledge that was not included in the post.

Did he hang around for hours?

The articles says he was parked in the area for hours.

Did the kid die?

According to the article, he is in critical but stable condition.

Thanks for the update

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RE: "yeah , I shot that kid" 8 year old in me... - 9/10/2013 6:58:48 PM

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The facts are that a white man deliberately shot a black kid. Absent, so far, is any proof or evidence that he shot him because he was black. That is certainly possible, but is is by no means certain . . .

It's almost impossible to prove, beyond all doubt, that racism is a motive in many, if not most, contexts where it's highly suspected, surely? We're all too often looking for evidence in the subconscious of the perpetrator while, consciously, he's likely to be savvy enough to deny that he's a racist. On the other hand this particular perp may be such a nutcase that he's brimming over with racist attitudes along with a rich array of other deranged views on the world.

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RE: "yeah , I shot that kid" 8 year old in me... - 9/11/2013 3:07:35 AM

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The reasons you quoted are compelling as well as being factually correct. Are you seriously suggesting pointing out know facts about the killer is racist ?

The facts are that a white man deliberately shot a black kid. Absent, so far, is any proof or evidence that he shot him because he was black. That is certainly possible, but is is by no means certain, so I'm merely asking you to recognise that it's also possible for a white man to shoot a black kid for some other reason than race. Just as it is possible for a man to shoot a woman for some other reason than gender, or a rich person to shoot a poor person for some other reason than socioeconomic status.

You may well be right, but it seems irresponsible to jump to that conclusion precipitously. That's all I'm saying.

No, its not all you are saying. You suggested my post was in and of itself racist.

The kid, who was black, was shot deliberately by a white guy. The white guy had been hanging around all afternoon according to witnesses. He felt it was okay to kill an 8yr old playing tag. He also shot him in the face, which may have been a lucky shot or poor aim.

The point remains he decided the kid was a target, he didnt stay in his own area and shoot one of the local kids. This isnt rocket science.

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RE: "yeah , I shot that kid" 8 year old in me... - 9/11/2013 5:10:34 AM

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Another nutjob with a gun. But, of course, it was the "gun" that killed the boy, not the man who hung around for hours and then decided to pull the trigger right in this particular boy's face.

These types of incidents will absolutely continue to occur in the country that believes gun ownership, carry and use without constraints is necessary. There are certain rights I don't mind people dying for, but we are paying for this Second Amendment right with lives on a daily basis. I'm quite sure this is NOT what the founding fathers had in mind. Instead of "Live free or die" we seem to have evolved into "Live free and die".....

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RE: "yeah , I shot that kid" 8 year old in me... - 9/11/2013 5:34:42 AM

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Another nutjob with a gun. But, of course, it was the "gun" that killed the boy, not the man who hung around for hours and then decided to pull the trigger right in this particular boy's face.

These types of incidents will absolutely continue to occur in the country that believes gun ownership, carry and use without constraints is necessary. There are certain rights I don't mind people dying for, but we are paying for this Second Amendment right with lives on a daily basis. I'm quite sure this is NOT what the founding fathers had in mind. Instead of "Live free or die" we seem to have evolved into "Live free and die".....

No it wasn't the gun who killed him, but that is what most people will focus on in the story. I can't speak to the comment on a country that believes there should be no constraints on gun ownership because I am not sure what country you are ragging on. Can't be the US because we have all kinds of laws concerning the subject.

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RE: "yeah , I shot that kid" 8 year old in me... - 9/11/2013 6:30:57 AM

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RE: "yeah , I shot that kid" 8 year old in me... - 9/11/2013 10:14:18 AM

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Unlocked. Again, please do not make other posters the topic.

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