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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

a he didnt die
b the bullet from the gun shot by the guy took out half his jaw
he had to be put into a coma... have you seen the pics of him? before and after?
BTW did you not read about colorado dems being recalled because of gun restrictions??
what about the rights of the 8 year old kid ...yanno, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, Im pretty sure all three right there have been fucked with...all for the almighty gun rights.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

a he didnt die
b the bullet from the gun shot by the guy took out half his jaw
he had to be put into a coma... have you seen the pics of him? before and after?
BTW did you not read about colorado dems being recalled because of gun restrictions??
what about the rights of the 8 year old kid ...yanno, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, Im pretty sure all three right there have been fucked with...all for the almighty gun rights.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
No, its not all you are saying. You suggested my post was in and of itself racist.

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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
No, its not all you are saying. You suggested my post was in and of itself racist.

Assuming that a white guy can't shoot a black kid for any reason than race is racist, yes. I'm still waiting to hear you say either that that's not what you meant or that you understand there isn't enough evidence yet to make such a claim. That so far all the evidence suggests is that racism might have been the cause. I'm waiting for you to say that you know it's irresponsible to go bandying about that kind of accusation when you can't back it up with anything more substantial than... well I think he's guilty.

As long as you fail to acknowledge this, I'm afraid that, yes. I think your post is racist and irresponsible to boot.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
No, its not all you are saying. You suggested my post was in and of itself racist.

Assuming that a white guy can't shoot a black kid for any reason than race is racist, yes. I'm still waiting to hear you say either that that's not what you meant or that you understand there isn't enough evidence yet to make such a claim. That so far all the evidence suggests is that racism might have been the cause. I'm waiting for you to say that you know it's irresponsible to go bandying about that kind of accusation when you can't back it up with anything more substantial than... well I think he's guilty.
As long as you fail to acknowledge this, I'm afraid that, yes. I think your post is racist and irresponsible to boot.

I thought you were better than this, obviously not. I said what I said and stand by it, its my opinion, its a strong one and I am entitled to post it.
My post is less irresponsible than some guy blowing an 8yr olds face off. You also offer no feasible explaination as to why he hung around the appartments until he found his victim.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Maybe the kid's mom or dad pissed the guy off?

Maybe he didn't like the kid's shirt?

Maybe the kid did something to his car at some point previous?

There's 3.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
I thought you were better than this, obviously not. I said what I said and stand by it, its my opinion, its a strong one and I am entitled to post it.

My post is less irresponsible than some guy blowing an 8yr olds face off. You also offer no feasible explaination as to why he hung around the appartments until he found his victim.

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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
I thought you were better than this, obviously not. I said what I said and stand by it, its my opinion, its a strong one and I am entitled to post it.

My post is less irresponsible than some guy blowing an 8yr olds face off. You also offer no feasible explaination as to why he hung around the appartments until he found his victim.

Certainly you are entitled to post your opinions and, as irresponsible as they may or may not be, they are very certainly much less irresponsible than blowing some 8 year old's face off.

I'm sorry if you took offense to my opinions. They were intended as an argument, not a reflection on you personally. I have always held you in high regard, and will continue to do so.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Kudo s Pam.....It takes cohones to apologise down here in the dank hole that is P&R

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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Maybe the kid's mom or dad pissed the guy off?
Maybe he didn't like the kid's shirt?
Maybe the kid did something to his car at some point previous?
There's 3.

No, there really is only one alternative. If he's not bat shit crazy then he's racist (or perhaps both). There is no other plausible explanation for what happened. That said, I'm willing to wait and see what the investigators come up with before I judge the situation. I'm confident that they will be able to find the evidence needed to prove one or the other. And if that evidence proves he is a racist (and it may well do), I'll be more than happy to condemn him for it. I just don't think the few facts we currently have are enough to support that conclusion.
In answer to Peon's argument: I understand that racism is often so subtle that it's impossible to "prove". In fact, that's what makes it particularly insidious, and that's very unfortunate. Still, I'm not willing to jump the gun with accusations of racism unless there is compelling evidence to think that that was the reason, and no other. And if that means I wind up extending certain people more grace than they deserve, then that is the sad but necessary consequence of being unwilling to jump to conclusions.
But before you argue that all that is simply because this stuff doesn't affect me, I'll have you know... I'm a cook, which means I work in an industry where I'm a minority two times over: once as a woman and twice as a caucasian. I can't tell you how many times I've had occasion to wonder if I was being discriminated against. I have never accused anyone based on speculation or circumstantial evidence, because I feel that it is irresponsible to make that strong of an accusation without proof. That has often placed me at a disadvantage because, as you correctly said, "proof", is hard to come by. I'm willing to accept that. Which is why I think it's fair that I hold others to the same standard.

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• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Maybe the kid's mom or dad pissed the guy off?

Maybe he didn't like the kid's shirt?

Maybe the kid did something to his car at some point previous?

There's 3.

No, there really is only one alternative. If he's not bat shit crazy then he's racist (or perhaps both). There is no other plausible explanation for what happened. That said, I'm willing to wait and see what the investigators come up with before I judge the situation. I'm confident that they will be able to find the evidence needed to prove one or the other. And if that evidence proves he is a racist (and it may well do), I'll be more than happy to condemn him for it. I just don't think the few facts we currently have are enough to support that conclusion.

In answer to Peon's argument: I understand that racism is often so subtle that it's impossible to "prove". In fact, that's what makes it particularly insidious, and that's very unfortunate. Still, I'm not willing to jump the gun with accusations of racism unless there is compelling evidence to think that that was the reason, and no other. And if that means I wind up extending certain people more grace than they deserve, then that is the sad but necessary consequence of being unwilling to jump to conclusions.

But before you argue that all that is simply because this stuff doesn't affect me, I'll have you know... I'm a cook, which means I work in an industry where I'm a minority two times over: once as a woman and twice as a caucasian. I can't tell you how many times I've had occasion to wonder if I was being discriminated against. I have never accused anyone based on speculation or circumstantial evidence, because I feel that it is irresponsible to make that strong of an accusation without proof. That has often placed me at a disadvantage because, as you correctly said, "proof", is hard to come by. I'm willing to accept that. Which is why I think it's fair that I hold others to the same standard.

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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Maybe the kid's mom or dad pissed the guy off?

Maybe he didn't like the kid's shirt?

Maybe the kid did something to his car at some point previous?

There's 3.

No, there really is only one alternative. If he's not bat shit crazy then he's racist (or perhaps both). There is no other plausible explanation for what happened. That said, I'm willing to wait and see what the investigators come up with before I judge the situation. I'm confident that they will be able to find the evidence needed to prove one or the other. And if that evidence proves he is a racist (and it may well do), I'll be more than happy to condemn him for it. I just don't think the few facts we currently have are enough to support that conclusion.

In answer to Peon's argument: I understand that racism is often so subtle that it's impossible to "prove". In fact, that's what makes it particularly insidious, and that's very unfortunate. Still, I'm not willing to jump the gun with accusations of racism unless there is compelling evidence to think that that was the reason, and no other. And if that means I wind up extending certain people more grace than they deserve, then that is the sad but necessary consequence of being unwilling to jump to conclusions.

But before you argue that all that is simply because this stuff doesn't affect me, I'll have you know... I'm a cook, which means I work in an industry where I'm a minority two times over: once as a woman and twice as a caucasian. I can't tell you how many times I've had occasion to wonder if I was being discriminated against. I have never accused anyone based on speculation or circumstantial evidence, because I feel that it is irresponsible to make that strong of an accusation without proof. That has often placed me at a disadvantage because, as you correctly said, "proof", is hard to come by. I'm willing to accept that. Which is why I think it's fair that I hold others to the same standard.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Maybe the kid's mom or dad pissed the guy off?

Maybe he didn't like the kid's shirt?

Maybe the kid did something to his car at some point previous?

There's 3.



No, there really is only one alternative. If he's not bat shit crazy then he's racist (or perhaps both). There is no other plausible explanation for what happened. That said, I'm willing to wait and see what the investigators come up with before I judge the situation.

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In answer to Peon's argument: I understand that racism is often so subtle that it's impossible to "prove". In fact, that's what makes it particularly insidious, and that's very unfortunate.

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ORIGINAL: SlipSlidingAway
Forgive me, but, if you clearly stated that, in your opinion, there are only two alternatives (ie racist and/or crazy) how are you not already judging the situation?

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
At no point in time did I state that this guy wasn't a racist (even stating I wouldn't be surprised if race had something to do with it)...I'm not defending this guy against anything other than knee jerk accusations.