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Dreamless -> RE: Male Superiority? (9/9/2013 2:02:55 AM)

@Focus50 Where the crap are you finding all this Hollywood that's not portraying women as weaker, smaller, and dependent on romance and men? Because I'm sure not seeing it. Quite the contrary, I'm seeing a lot of "you need to fall in love and find a man who can take caaaaaaaaaare of you" bullshit. And ooh, skinny small women. Let's trade. I want your Hollywood, you can have mine, obviously we got the wrong ones.



The natural order bullshit repulses me more than ever now that I've started studying Canadian history. Yeah, the same people who quote that now are the same people who converted native men to Christianity and then told them to refuse to feed their women until they started submitting to their husbands and forcing their children to behave. Funny how the aboriginal society had a totally different 'natural order' than the white Christian men who came from Europe and it'd been working just fine for them for centuries. Apparently women were pretty well equals who had pull in major decisions although they played different roles (because y'know, childbearing) and homosexuality and the idea of a third gender were embraced. Kids weren't beaten into submission. So who had the right natural order? Can we ever really know? Is it really natural if it had to be forced on a group of people?

I ID as dominant (sort of). I am dominant because I like tying up guys and doing terrible things to them. Well, and ladies too but whatever. Not because all women are superior. It sort of skeeves me out when people go all or nothing either way, when relationships shouldn't be defining all of the human race at the same time.

Be submissive or dominant because it's right with your partner/s. Some people are more dominant than others. Some people are less. But dominant doesn't equal superior. Maybe it means superior in your relationship, and that's fine! But it's like all male doms expecting all female subs to submit to them on a first message kind of thing. Uhhh no?



ARIES83 -> RE: Male Superiority? (9/9/2013 3:29:34 AM)

Hmm, Male or Female Superiority based on what?
I value traits... strong character, intelligence, and a whole mess of things that aren't the native province of a sex, but mark the quality of a person.

The gorean natural order is only as good or bad as peoples understanding of it, or should I say misunderstanding... I suppose it depends on how arrogant and hypocritical I feel at the time...



AaNiMaLl -> RE: Male Superiority? (9/9/2013 4:03:11 AM)

Superiority is irrelevant when everyone is so different from the DNA up. And also so integrated with each other.



chatterbox24 -> RE: Male Superiority? (9/9/2013 5:01:55 AM)

Men at their best, I believe are superior to women. I believe its nature. Men are built stronger, think differently, and are suppose to be the protectors, rule makers, and guider and leader of a family. They are superior in that way when at their best, and I believe that is the way it was intended to be. A man like this with integrity I am grateful to take a back seat too. We all know many men are not at their best, and women are highly adaptive and its not rare to find the women superior to the men in those respects. There are a lot of role swapping and I don't find anything wrong with that, where the woman makes the money, the man cooks, etc. But for me when it comes right down to it, A man of great caliber, strength and courage is the cats meow. I have met very few men like that in my lifetime, I could personal qualify in that percentile, but its always an honor when I do met one. Giving respect and trust doesn't come easy.
This is just my own personal interpretation.



lilcracker -> RE: Male Superiority? (9/9/2013 5:33:12 AM)

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Judging by the amount of really stupid men out there, certainly not.


LOL that is what I was thinking. You just said it better.



Focus50 -> RE: Male Superiority? (9/9/2013 5:50:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Dreamless

@Focus50 Where the crap are you finding all this Hollywood that's not portraying women as weaker, smaller, and dependent on romance and men? Because I'm sure not seeing it. Quite the contrary, I'm seeing a lot of "you need to fall in love and find a man who can take caaaaaaaaaare of you" bullshit. And ooh, skinny small women. Let's trade. I want your Hollywood, you can have mine, obviously we got the wrong ones.


Geeeezus, seems there's barely a contemporary American tv show that doesn't feature a hundred pound high-heeled babe out braining AND out brawning all the 200 pound weakling men.

Ok, Hollywood's more diverse and specific movies target particular audiences. I have seen movies such as Charlie's Angels, Aeon Flux and AJ's Tomb Raiders, for example, but mostly you know what to expect from a movie and can duck a particular theme accordingly.

Your Hollywood sounds like 30-40 yrs ago...? My beef is mainly with American tv shows but it's sooooo much easier to just say "Hollywood", cos it's still coming from the same country's culture.

Perhaps you can help me here? Maybe American women are waaaay more wiry than the rest of the world's? See, when I see a Lucy Liu or Cameron Diaz slam their petite lil feminine fists into some Neanderthal's jaw, I'm just not getting a mental picture of him flying unconscious across the room, as they do on screen. No, I'm thinking compound finger/knuckle/wrist fractures with the even bigger problem of said Neanderthal pissed-off at his recently acquired minor facial bruise....

Lol, I've been pretty bored with the boards of late so do permit me some license, k? We're both proof that we all see what we wanna see at the movies. I like action movies and just enjoyed watching "Olympus has Fallen". Enjoyed (almost as much) picking out the glaring plot holes, too.... Hmmm, wonder if the Koreans really do know more about the White House and American defence technologies than the American government & military does? And if you haven't seen it, "no", no hundred babe to the rescue here. Just a Scot....

Focus.



JeffBC -> RE: Male Superiority? (9/9/2013 7:17:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NiceAnimal
I think its odd to equate submission with inferiority. Submission can be strength, as can generosity.

I don't think it's "odd". I think it's dumb as bricks stupid. I also think it bespeaks of a complete lack of understanding about what dominance and submission is, why it is, and how to take advantage of it in both personal and professional life. ALL personality traits can be either a strength or a weakness depending on the context they are deployed in. I've often noted that my biggest strengths are also my biggest weaknesses. The trick is to play the right cards in the right situations.



Spiritedsub2 -> RE: Male Superiority? (9/9/2013 8:52:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

Male superiority is the natural order? Must be why I prefer the unnatural. [;)]

I'm not sub to Himself b/c he's superior due to his gender, but b/c he's superior as a person. He's just a better person than me, more compassionate, more stable, with firmer boundaries. He's the kind of person I want to be, but struggle with b/c of my personality. It's very much an individual thing.

Same thing with my sub. He doesn't think I'm superior b/c I am female, but because I can help him with personality issues he struggles with. This has everything to do with who he is and who I am, and nothing to do with gender

I agree with this ^^. In my 54 years, I've seen no evidence that men are superior to women or vice versa. On rare occasions, I meet a man I regard as superior to me, stronger, smarter, wiser. When I do, I feel the desire to submit to him. Wish it weren't so rare [:)]



DesFIP -> RE: Male Superiority? (9/9/2013 8:56:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
I think for me submission is so tied into my sexuality that it comes from a place where a man has to inspire it in from a deep place of passion. But not because he does anything better than me or is a good or better person.


Then what inspires it?



Can't talk for red but for me what's required is a huge amount of respect for him as a person, acknowledgement that he makes damned good decisions, that he craves the responsibilities more than the rights, that making hard decisions is less stressful for him than for me, and sexual chemistry.

That's why I'm compatible with so few guys.



hlen5 -> RE: Male Superiority? (9/9/2013 9:34:29 AM)

FR

Are there Men I feel are my superior? No. Are there women I feel are my superior? No. There are men and women I respect that may have superior skills than I do. Some generic superiority in either gender is BS.



sexyred1 -> RE: Male Superiority? (9/9/2013 10:08:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP


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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
I think for me submission is so tied into my sexuality that it comes from a place where a man has to inspire it in from a deep place of passion. But not because he does anything better than me or is a good or better person.


Then what inspires it?



Can't talk for red but for me what's required is a huge amount of respect for him as a person, acknowledgement that he makes damned good decisions, that he craves the responsibilities more than the rights, that making hard decisions is less stressful for him than for me, and sexual chemistry.

That's why I'm compatible with so few guys.


Yup, you spoke for me perfectly.



kalikshama -> RE: Male Superiority? (9/9/2013 5:19:58 PM)

We believe in equality in general and him Dom me sub for us specifically. We're having a lot of fun watching Mad Men but agree that with the exception of pantyhose replacing garters and stockings, we're in a better place today. (No spoilers; we're on season 1.)



kiwisub12 -> RE: Male Superiority? (9/9/2013 5:37:31 PM)

I believe that male superiority is code for "if I say this will you fuck me?" - just like saying female superiority is code for "if I say this, will you fuck me?".
I put it right up there with "a slave heart", or "the gift of submission".

I don't think the people that come up with this sort of drivel say it because they believe it - they think it makes them sound uber-whatever. Actually, if I was going to be charitable, I would say the people who talk about their slave heart, or their gift of submission are hopeless romantics, completely out of touch with reality - and have probably read "50 Shades of Gray" - and believed it all.



NuevaVida -> RE: Male Superiority? (9/9/2013 5:53:44 PM)

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I don't view others as superior to me, nor myself as superior to others. Like hlen said, one may have superior skills than another, but then we all have our talents and skills so it balances out.

The Mister has the authority in our relationship, but he is not superior to me as a person or because he's a man.



theshytype -> RE: Male Superiority? (9/9/2013 6:54:32 PM)

I do not believe either men or women are superior based on their sex as the determining factor.
I do believe nature intended for each sex to carry out certain roles but I do not place either role as being anymore superior than the other - they're both equal IMO.

If we also stripped down every person of any superficial title or ranking they held, I'd also find it difficult to say any one person is more superior than another. Why, even an idiot is more superior than I am when it comes to being an idiot.



littlewonder -> RE: Male Superiority? (9/9/2013 7:39:57 PM)

I could never understand equality amongst people. To me, equality doesn't exist and I'm not talking about genders. I'm talking hierarchy. Even in the western world we have castes and hierarchy. Some people are more superior than others. It was something I learned a long, long time ago in my psychology, philosophy and science classes in college. Mankind is an animal. All animals have social roles, hierarchy. There are some who are higher in the food chain than others and there are some who are on the lower rungs.

This has always made sense to me in how I see life all around me. I rarely see equality anywhere.



jc26 -> RE: Male Superiority? (9/9/2013 7:41:58 PM)

maybe I am a crazy person. and I am SUPER new to the boards so I might be totally off base. I'm a female and identify as sub. But I don't find myself inferior.

BUT... When i think of male superiority I don't think of the entire race of man being superior. I do however feel that there are certain areas, aspects, professions and other factors that do make men more superior to women. For instance, I've not yet found a female doctor that I find superior to male doctors. I am sure there are more superior female doctors out there. But in a general population aspect I'd assume that the men in the field are superior.

I don't think that every man is superior to every woman but I do find that in certain areas of life men are wiser and more physically capable than women.



theshytype -> RE: Male Superiority? (9/9/2013 9:13:28 PM)

When I think superiority I'm more referring to importance, skills and strengths.  Not titles or roles. 

I agree with roles in today's society, meaning I find them necessary.  But, I consider them just that - roles.  I view them all as being equally important. 

A queen may be considered superior above her subjects, but without those subjects she has little purpose. 
And in my job, my boss brings in the clients while it is my responsibility to make them happy so that they stay.  His title is "superior" to mine but I find him and his role equally important. 

I can't personally say any one person is more superior than another because it's subjective.  What are we rating?  Intelligence, attractiveness, strength, income, creativity, great conversationalists, inventors, were they voted into a high position, or born in one?  Do they have to possess one of those, two, or more?  And who's measuring these?  I just don't feel there is an accurate way to measure it. If I ever feel inferior to someone, it is something that I've created in my own mind as lacking in some area.



NuevaVida -> RE: Male Superiority? (9/9/2013 9:26:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: theshytype

Why, even an idiot is more superior than I am when it comes to being an idiot.

Ha! Sunny Quote Of The Day??

Aside from that, I agree with your most recent post, theshytype, regarding roles and status. When I speak of (lack of) superiority, I'm not talking about social status/ranks, jobs, politics, etc. I'm talking about the human factor. The human spirit, if you will. We all contribute something to humankind, by the essence of who we are. One of the most loving, beautiful and influential people in my life came from a life of poverty and hunger, and ended up giving himself to the Catholic church as a "brother." (and I'm not Catholic). He had no social status, was not revered as anything special, was not even noticed by most. But the effect he had on those who knew him created ripples that reached far and wide.

And yet, he was superior to nobody, and nobody (in my opinion) is superior to him.



SlipSlidingAway -> RE: Male Superiority? (9/9/2013 9:51:07 PM)

I often joke that I am a male chauvinist. (BTW, I am female, and not 99, despite what my profile says) It's not that I consider males superior, though. I just tend to prefer their company. With a guy, pretty much, what you see is what you get. They may be fakes or liars, especially online, but if not? There is not a lot of the petty stuff that I find when I am with other women. If a guy is angry, or disappointed, or whatever? He doesn't tend to play games about it. He may not open up, but you still tend to know where you stand with men. Not so much with the majority of women (at least the ones I know). It's just too much drama for me. I tend to tease poly guys about wanting more than one woman, simply because I think trying to keep up with just one woman could drive a man to drink.

That said? No, I don't consider males (in general) my superiors. Some may possess superior intellect, or superior strength, or even be better at Words with Friends than me (although I doubt it lol). However, only one male would ever truly be my superior (aside from boss, teacher, etc- in which circumstances they have a degree of authority over me, but their gender is completely irrelevant, as the roles could be just as easily filled by a female). That one male would be the one I decided was worth submitting to. I have found, over the years, there are very, very few I could bend a knee for. Call it inherent arrogance, call it intelligence, call it pride. The thing is, my would be Dom would have to be my superior in most ways, or it simply would not work for me. Surrendering to another, at least for me, is serious business; and I certainly would not place myself in the hands of one that is ~less~ proficient than I am to maximize my potential; he would have to be someone capable of molding the relationship (and me) into something worthwhile and mutually beneficial.



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