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RE: Why is Syria different? - 9/14/2013 11:01:02 AM   
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4. Harvard doesn't admit dummies.

On Earth, the Harvard on Earth. Harvard routinely admits people who don't meet their admission standards. As a matter of policy. It's called Affirmative Action. Jack Cashill observes:

According to the New York Sun, university spokesman Brian Connolly confirmed that Obama graduated in 1983 with a major in political science but without honors. In the age of affirmative action and grade inflation, a minority in a relatively easy major like political science had to under-perform dramatically to avoid minimal honors. Obama apparently did just that. ~Source

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The President transferred to Columbia after 2 years at Occidental. Columbia restricts its Latin honors to no more than 25% of its graduating classes and only even examines the records of the top 35% by GPA of the class. It is entirely possible that the President's GPA from Occidental was not considered or that his out of class credentials at Columbia did not provide sufficient cause to be awarded a Latin honor.

So your claim is based on a complete lack of knowledge of the reality of Latin honors at a top tier university.

BTW I also transferred to a top tier university, University of Chicago, from a much less prestigious university, U of Maryland and credits gained through the Navy. My GPA was in the top 5% of my graduating class but I was only awarded cum laude not magna or summa because I did no research at UofC and had gotten a lot of that GPA at the much easier UofMaryland and had gotten life experience credits.

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RE: Why is Syria different? - 9/14/2013 11:48:28 AM   
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as I understand it.. some of these rebels are Al Queda.. If that is true, then it sorta seems stupid to help those that you have been fighting a "War against Terror" against for 12 years or so.. I expect if Obama gets the US & other countries involved, once Assad is gone, it will come back and bite the US & other countries in the arse, big time.. but then again, what else is new?

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RE: Why is Syria different? - 9/14/2013 12:22:27 PM   
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as I understand it.. some of these rebels are Al Queda.. If that is true, then it sorta seems stupid to help those that you have been fighting a "War against Terror" against for 12 years or so.. I expect if Obama gets the US & other countries involved, once Assad is gone, it will come back and bite the US & other countries in the arse, big time.. but then again, what else is new?


Afghanistan redux.

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RE: Why is Syria different? - 9/14/2013 12:31:16 PM   
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I'm very confused because Obama's a smart man. So why would he do something this stupid?


Perhaps he's not that smart?



No reason to believe that at all.

1. Like I said, his foreign policy has been brilliant till now.

2. His ability to use social media and the Internet is nothing short of amazing. He pioneered the use of crowdfunding in politics and took Howard Dean's crude use of social media further than anyone ever had. His use of social media was the main reason he was able to wrestle the Dem nomination away from Hillary when she was the obvious, foregone conclusion. Palin is the only other pol to use social media. She's very good at it but not in Obama's league.

3. He's very good at building coalitions. He's reached out to the Clintons and won them over after a bruising primary. He's used the Sec of State position to mend fences, getting Hillary and then Kerry there. He's united the Democratic Party, no easy thing to do.

4. Harvard doesn't admit dummies. Nor does the Law Review take dummies as editors.



Boy oh boy, where to begin.
Harvard doesn't admit dummies, ever hear of "legacy admissions?" Why do you think Harvard has such a huge endowment?
If former congressman Patrick "Patches" Kennedy with his 70 i.q. wanted to go to Harvard Law school he's going! Of course there'd be a big fat check involved. His father Ted went to Harvard but was expelled for cheating.
None of the Kennedys even JFK were the sharpest knives in the drawer with the exception of old Joe. The mother's side was the weakest link, drunks, crooked politicians, ("Honey Fitz") mental illness, etc, etc. Real "Royalty" there.
Then, there's the "Affirmative Action" program. Evidently even if you're only half black you qualify. (I wonder where the cut-off line is?)
You also qualify if you *say* that you're "Native American" but you're not like senator "Laughing Cloud" of Massachusetts.
"Harvard" is the "oldest" college in the U.S., why some people think that it is the "best" I don't know.
If you went to Harvard Med School there's no differance than if you went to say the U. of Nebraska Med School. They're both M.D.s fully qualified. What do you drive, a Ford or a Chevy?
As for building coalitions, who in their right mind would want a coalition with the sociopathic Clintons?
Oh sure, she did such a bang up job as sec of state! And NOW look who Erkel put in there! John Fucking Kerry?
Steven, did you ever read that book, "The Peter Principle? I'm starting to think that Erkel uses that book as a hiring manual.
And, imho getting the U.S. involved in the problems of foreign countries and civil wars is not "brilliant." It's "brilliant" to stay out of the problems of foreign countries and their civil wars. That's not what we're paying our taxes for.
Look at Libya and Egypt. Boy, what successes they are! (As they'd say in Ireland, "Fookin' Brilliant.")
A long time ago in July of 1968 I came home on a hot, humid afternoon to find my mother and aunt crying in the kitchen.
I knew right away what had happened, my cousin Bob had been killed in Vietnam in the U.S. Army after being there for only three weeks. Forever "19."
He had a "brilliant" sense of humor and was highly intelligent and wanted to become an electrical engineer when he got out of the Army.
Presidents should be keeping us out of foreign wars, not trying to get us involved in them!
Foreign policy? I want to see Erkel's "Detroit Policy."

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RE: Why is Syria different? - 9/14/2013 12:43:50 PM   
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It is entirely possible that the President's GPA from Occidental was not considered or that his out of class credentials at Columbia did not provide sufficient cause to be awarded a Latin honor.

Yeah, or maybe he spent too much time sitting around with his thumb up his ass smoking pot.

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your claim is based on a complete lack of knowledge of the reality of Latin honors at a top tier university

That was Jack Cashill's claim, not mine. The clue to this possibly obscure fact was hidden in the statement, "Jack Cashill observes..." But let's not quibble. Failing to graduate above the 75% percentile is under-performing big time if you want to get into Harvard. So while I appreciate how much you enjoyed working that little dig into your post, it shows a complete lack of knowledge of Harvard's front-door standards.

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My GPA was in the top 5% of my graduating class...

Thanks so much for sharing. You must be very modest. It doesn't show at all. Honest, really.

K.

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RE: Why is Syria different? - 9/14/2013 1:04:59 PM   
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Hillwilliam post 12: one of Napoleon's quotes on here first but I'll repost it.
"When your enemies are destroying each other, don't interrupt them."


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RE: Why is Syria different? - 9/14/2013 1:08:59 PM   
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It is entirely possible that the President's GPA from Occidental was not considered or that his out of class credentials at Columbia did not provide sufficient cause to be awarded a Latin honor.

Yeah, or maybe he spent too much time sitting around with his thumb up his ass smoking pot.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

your claim is based on a complete lack of knowledge of the reality of Latin honors at a top tier university

That was Jack Cashill's claim, not mine. The clue to this possibly obscure fact was hidden in the statement, "Jack Cashill observes..." But let's not quibble. Failing to graduate above the 75% percentile is under-performing big time if you want to get into Harvard. So while I appreciate how much you enjoyed working that little dig into your post, it shows a complete lack of knowledge of Harvard's front-door standards.

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My GPA was in the top 5% of my graduating class...

Thanks so much for sharing. You must be very modest. It doesn't show at all. Honest, really.

K.


No. You posted the claim as supportive of your opinion so you own it.

There is no proof the President did not graduate in the top 25% of his class. Class ranking is based on GPA and that is not the only criteria for Latin honors. That's why Columbia examines the top 35% of the class to determine who gets honors.

Harvard's law school admission standards are so high and they turn away so many applicants there is no reason at all to believe the President did not do very well at Columbia and score very high on his entrance exam. Cashill's bullshit about the President having to use totally nonexistent connections to get into law school just show the right's usual unquestioning belief of any crazy shit anyone wants to say negatively about the President.

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RE: Why is Syria different? - 9/14/2013 1:23:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

It is entirely possible that the President's GPA from Occidental was not considered or that his out of class credentials at Columbia did not provide sufficient cause to be awarded a Latin honor.

Yeah, or maybe he spent too much time sitting around with his thumb up his ass smoking pot.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

your claim is based on a complete lack of knowledge of the reality of Latin honors at a top tier university

That was Jack Cashill's claim, not mine. The clue to this possibly obscure fact was hidden in the statement, "Jack Cashill observes..." But let's not quibble. Failing to graduate above the 75% percentile is under-performing big time if you want to get into Harvard. So while I appreciate how much you enjoyed working that little dig into your post, it shows a complete lack of knowledge of Harvard's front-door standards.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

My GPA was in the top 5% of my graduating class...

Thanks so much for sharing. You must be very modest. It doesn't show at all. Honest, really.

K.


No. You posted the claim as supportive of your opinion so you own it.

There is no proof the President did not graduate in the top 25% of his class. Class ranking is based on GPA and that is not the only criteria for Latin honors. That's why Columbia examines the top 35% of the class to determine who gets honors.

Harvard's law school admission standards are so high and they turn away so many applicants there is no reason at all to believe the President did not do very well at Columbia and score very high on his entrance exam. Cashill's bullshit about the President having to use totally nonexistent connections to get into law school just show the right's usual unquestioning belief of any crazy shit anyone wants to say negatively about the President.



Domken, then why won't Erkel show us the Car Fax?
You graduated in the top 5% of your class and you hang out with the Tin Foil Hat club of the "global warmers?" (or whatever they're calling themselves this week)
Did you get Shanghied or what?
Do they have a de-programming camp anywhere near you?
A "retreat?"
C'mon buddy, come back from the dark side.

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RE: Why is Syria different? - 9/14/2013 1:41:59 PM   
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Harvard's law school admission standards are so high and they turn away so many applicants there is no reason at all to believe the President did not do very well at Columbia and score very high on his entrance exam. Cashill's bullshit about the President having to use totally nonexistent connections to get into law school just show the right's usual unquestioning belief of any crazy shit anyone wants to say negatively about the President.


Yes, many are turned away. It's difficult to know how high Harvard's standards really are. Since diversity and inclusion are expressly a part of the admittance process, what is the division between admittance based on merit, diversity and inclusion? On what basis, exactly, was Obama admitted?

Granted Harvard is not going to admit a total nitwit, but if one is admitted based on diversity is that sufficient to establish one as exceptionally intelligent simply because, well, it's Harvard?

As to Cashill, why do you tar everyone with his thinking? Also, what is the source of your statement that Obama had totally non-existent connections? You know this? How?




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RE: Why is Syria different? - 9/14/2013 1:56:54 PM   
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I had to read back to find the four word statement that sent this off in a discussion of Harvard and Obama's academic achievements or lack there of.

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RE: Why is Syria different? - 9/14/2013 1:58:50 PM   
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there is no reason at all to believe the President did not do very well at Columbia and score very high on his entrance exam...

Sure there's a reason. He has consistently refused to release his transcripts, and there is no evidence to suggest that he's a modest fellow who strives to hide his achievements.

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the right's usual unquestioning belief of any crazy shit anyone wants to say negatively about the President.

Good move. Make it a partisan issue. That will obscure any possibility that you might be the one with an unquestioning belief in any crazy claim about him as long as it's positive.

K.


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RE: Why is Syria different? - 9/14/2013 2:08:48 PM   
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I had to read back to find the four word statement that sent this off in a discussion of Harvard and Obama's academic achievements or lack there of.

I thought it was five words, although I suppose someone might quibble about not counting a contraction as two words.

K.

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RE: Why is Syria different? - 9/14/2013 2:10:13 PM   
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Harvard's law school admission standards are so high and they turn away so many applicants there is no reason at all to believe the President did not do very well at Columbia and score very high on his entrance exam. Cashill's bullshit about the President having to use totally nonexistent connections to get into law school just show the right's usual unquestioning belief of any crazy shit anyone wants to say negatively about the President.


Yes, many are turned away. It's difficult to know how high Harvard's standards really are. Since diversity and inclusion are expressly a part of the admittance process, what is the division between admittance based on merit, diversity and inclusion? On what basis, exactly, was Obama admitted?

Granted Harvard is not going to admit a total nitwit, but if one is admitted based on diversity is that sufficient to establish one as exceptionally intelligent simply because, well, it's Harvard?

As to Cashill, why do you tar everyone with his thinking? Also, what is the source of your statement that Obama had totally non-existent connections? You know this? How?

Even if his racial or economic status was considered he still had to be at the top of the heap of those applicants to get in which still means he had a very good application.

I didn't tar everyone with his thinking just the right. Which have consistently come up with some patently crazy shit about this President.

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RE: Why is Syria different? - 9/14/2013 2:11:57 PM   
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there is no reason at all to believe the President did not do very well at Columbia and score very high on his entrance exam...

Sure there's a reason. He has consistently refused to release his transcripts, and there is no evidence to suggest that he's a modest fellow who strives to hide his achievements.

Why should he have to release anything? Where are the unredacted records of W's military service? What about his transcripts from all his education?

This is yet more ODS.

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RE: Why is Syria different? - 9/14/2013 9:37:52 PM   
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there is no reason at all to believe the President did not do very well at Columbia and score very high on his entrance exam...

Sure there's a reason. He has consistently refused to release his transcripts, and there is no evidence to suggest that he's a modest fellow who strives to hide his achievements.

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the right's usual unquestioning belief of any crazy shit anyone wants to say negatively about the President.

Good move. Make it a partisan issue. That will obscure any possibility that you might be the one with an unquestioning belief in any crazy claim about him as long as it's positive.

K.



Actually, Kirata

Obama doesn't release either his college records not because of his performance, but because he claimed foreign citizenship to qualify for admittance.

Well that and the fact that he was a fawning admirer of the soviet union for his dissertation.

Yes, I made it up. The former not the latter.

Its funny how there are no available copies of the dissertation tho.

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RE: Why is Syria different? - 9/14/2013 9:42:42 PM   
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there is no reason at all to believe the President did not do very well at Columbia and score very high on his entrance exam...

Sure there's a reason. He has consistently refused to release his transcripts, and there is no evidence to suggest that he's a modest fellow who strives to hide his achievements.

Why should he have to release anything? Where are the unredacted records of W's military service? What about his transcripts from all his education?

This is yet more ODS.


Well hate to nitpick a bit (No I don't). But Bushes transcripts were released:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/benedetto/2005-06-10-benedetto_x.htm

And ya know, for the record, Bush didn't make a promise to run the 'most transparent administration' - you know.. like O did.

Said administration which has brought us nsa abuses, political prosecution by the IRS, stonewalling on Benghazi - and blatant lies.

You know - the attack in benghaze due to some poor schmuck in California.
When they had intercepts saying it was a terrorist attach - and live video footage.


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RE: Why is Syria different? - 9/15/2013 1:33:04 AM   
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I actually missed that one. I was talking about "Harvard doesn't admit dummies."

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I had to read back to find the four word statement that sent this off in a discussion of Harvard and Obama's academic achievements or lack there of.

I thought it was five words, although I suppose someone might quibble about not counting a contraction as two words.

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RE: Why is Syria different? - 9/15/2013 3:32:17 AM   
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there is no reason at all to believe the President did not do very well at Columbia and score very high on his entrance exam...

Sure there's a reason. He has consistently refused to release his transcripts, and there is no evidence to suggest that he's a modest fellow who strives to hide his achievements.

Why should he have to release anything? Where are the unredacted records of W's military service? What about his transcripts from all his education?

This is yet more ODS.


Well hate to nitpick a bit (No I don't). But Bushes transcripts were released:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/benedetto/2005-06-10-benedetto_x.htm

His undergrad grades is not all his transcripts. Maybe you should look up the word "all" in a dictionary.

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RE: Why is Syria different? - 9/15/2013 6:57:02 AM   
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Said administration which has brought us nsa abuses, political prosecution by the IRS, stonewalling on Benghazi - and blatant lies.


Said administration didn't push for and pass the legislation that really kicked the NSA abuses off. I hope you are not truly so naive as to think that political prosecution by the IRS somehow started with this Administration. No. I have no proof that other Administrations have done the same, but I'm not so naive as to think it didn't happen.


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RE: Why is Syria different? - 9/15/2013 11:10:22 PM   
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4. Harvard doesn't admit dummies.

On Earth, the Harvard on Earth. Harvard routinely admits people who don't meet their admission standards. As a matter of policy.


Bullshit.

Harvard doesn't take anyone that's not the best, unless maybe they're rich legacy kids. But even when you're "the best", it's still a crapshoot, because so are so many other people.

I've definitely known people that got a bee up their butt because they did everything right and perfect and still couldn't get in, and some other person that did everything right but in a little different way did. And maybe race or gender or hometown or how many kids they'd accepted from that state already was a factor, maybe it wasn't, maybe their essay was a big deal, maybe it wasn't.... but there is no "standard" like that, where everyone above here gets in and everyone below does not.

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