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DsBound -> Congress exempt... not surprised. (9/16/2013 12:27:58 PM)
What a joke! I'll never understand why people get so excited about Obamacare. Don't you think its strange that the same asses that decided this was the best course for the people are the very ones that don't want it personally. I'm sick of hearing "its better than nothing" because it's not... the costs are simply to high.Congress exempt from Obamacare

ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: Congress exempt... not surprised. (9/16/2013 12:49:49 PM)
I just LOVE that the GOP has tried to repeal the ACA like 41 times and has failed on each occassion. They whine and bitch and moan about what an awful bill it is and how it's so expensive, blah-blah-blah. But where was the GOP for the last 20 years? Oh that's right - in the pockets of the healthcare and pharmcuetical industries. OK, so the ACA isn't as good as it should have been. Maybe if the GOP had gone along with things like The Public Option they could have helped to craft a bill that would be so much more than what we got. But they were so dead-set on making Obama a 1-term president that they ignored everything else. And even after he was re-elected the GOP is STILL blocking his every move. At some point they should really get over their collective butt-hurt and do the work they were elected for. /rant

mnottertail -> RE: Congress exempt... not surprised. (9/16/2013 12:58:05 PM)
Well how are they exempt? They have a large employer that offers them healthcare, now they can take the subsidy and go out in the market and do it. Nothing exempt.

DsBound -> RE: Congress exempt... not surprised. (9/16/2013 1:18:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69 I just LOVE that the GOP has tried to repeal the ACA like 41 times and has failed on each occassion. They whine and bitch and moan about what an awful bill it is and how it's so expensive, blah-blah-blah. But where was the GOP for the last 20 years? Oh that's right - in the pockets of the healthcare and pharmcuetical industries. OK, so the ACA isn't as good as it should have been. Maybe if the GOP had gone along with things like The Public Option they could have helped to craft a bill that would be so much more than what we got. But they were so dead-set on making Obama a 1-term president that they ignored everything else. And even after he was re-elected the GOP is STILL blocking his every move. At some point they should really get over their collective butt-hurt and do the work they were elected for. /rant IMO he should've been a 1 term president. Lol. But that's not the point... to me none of these douche canoes should be exempt.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Congress exempt... not surprised. (9/16/2013 1:21:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69 I just LOVE that the GOP has tried to repeal the ACA like 41 times and has failed on each occassion. They whine and bitch and moan about what an awful bill it is and how it's so expensive, blah-blah-blah. But where was the GOP for the last 20 years? Oh that's right - in the pockets of the healthcare and pharmcuetical industries. OK, so the ACA isn't as good as it should have been. Maybe if the GOP had gone along with things like The Public Option they could have helped to craft a bill that would be so much more than what we got. But they were so dead-set on making Obama a 1-term president that they ignored everything else. And even after he was re-elected the GOP is STILL blocking his every move. At some point they should really get over their collective butt-hurt and do the work they were elected for. /rant You are assuming their constituents didn't elect them to repeal Obamacare. That may not be accurate.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Congress exempt... not surprised. (9/16/2013 1:28:11 PM)
Congress has been exempt from the work-place laws they pass for quite some time. That's nothing new. They also have their own retirement (no SS payments)

mnottertail -> RE: Congress exempt... not surprised. (9/16/2013 1:28:52 PM)
Yeah, the outcrying, the mainstream news pieces, the marching, the bombing of abortion clinics, the recalls, everytime the nutsuckers pass the dogshit repeal and the senate says get that shit outta here, is the level of the constituencies desire to have it repealed.

Moonhead -> RE: Congress exempt... not surprised. (9/16/2013 1:30:38 PM)
Perhaps it is and perhaps it isn't. It's entirely possible that their constituents don't give a flying fuck about the ACA.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Congress exempt... not surprised. (9/16/2013 2:11:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Perhaps it is and perhaps it isn't. It's entirely possible that their constituents don't give a flying fuck about the ACA. Very true, too. But, claiming that they aren't doing what they were elected to do implies that their constituents want Obamacare, or that they don't care. Either way, how many Republican House Representatives have faced recall elections over their attempts to repeal Obamacare?

DsBound -> RE: Congress exempt... not surprised. (9/16/2013 2:15:06 PM)
Did my previous comments just get deleted? If so why? Because I replied to a quote?

joether -> RE: Congress exempt... not surprised. (9/16/2013 2:18:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DsBound quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69 I just LOVE that the GOP has tried to repeal the ACA like 41 times and has failed on each occassion. They whine and bitch and moan about what an awful bill it is and how it's so expensive, blah-blah-blah. But where was the GOP for the last 20 years? Oh that's right - in the pockets of the healthcare and pharmcuetical industries. OK, so the ACA isn't as good as it should have been. Maybe if the GOP had gone along with things like The Public Option they could have helped to craft a bill that would be so much more than what we got. But they were so dead-set on making Obama a 1-term president that they ignored everything else. And even after he was re-elected the GOP is STILL blocking his every move. At some point they should really get over their collective butt-hurt and do the work they were elected for. /rant IMO he should've been a 1 term president. Lol. But that's not the point... to me none of these douche canoes should be exempt. Conservatives were willing to wreck the national economy just to make him a one term president. Well, the economy is still recovering for many states, but President Obama enjoys a second term. Conservatives FAILED! An they are STILL butt hurt from the whole affair it seems. To bad they cant grow up! Your against the ACA, but I'm willing to make the educated guess you have never sat down to read the law from start to finish. Better for you to have others do it and tell you what your opinion is on it. That way, you can get the sound bites and buzz words without ever questioning where it all comes from or whether its accurate/true. The President's version of the ACA (the original version of the ACA) was much better. I'm guessing you were against it, but never read it. Just automatically against the President, regardless of the issue/situation. Your hatred of the president overrides your ability to think for yourself. Once more, your going to find that unlike former President George W. Bush, there was some actual thought put into how these health care exchanges that go into operation next month operate. That the different plans are scaled to a very wide range of people. And adjustable depending on circumstances (i.e. gross income, family situation, etc.).

MrRodgers -> RE: Congress exempt... not surprised. (9/16/2013 2:24:06 PM)
But you debate in a bit of a vacuum. We have a plutocracy which means that the dems picked out their own constituency and the GOP pics their constituency. Now the repubs being the real pros in corruption that they are, are always want to take this for all it is worth and in their health care 'reform' might pick the insurance industry because it is after all...the cash-richest industry in the world. However the dems showing their up and coming cynicism...were maybe prescient. They chose to accommodate the health care insurance regime while accommodating also the drug industry, it being the single most profitable industry of all. The top 10 drug companies have profits that exceeds all other fortune 490 companies...combined. Legal drugs are far more profitable than black market drugs, there are so many of them most of which have patent protection. Notice how the insurance industry gets all of those healthy premium-payers to buy a service they wouldn't otherwise buy. Then ACA leaves all of the drug mark-ups alone while hitting medicare pay for service and the newly insured, complete with subsidies.

DsBound -> RE: Congress exempt... not surprised. (9/16/2013 2:24:45 PM)
The irony of loyalty to either party is insane... they don't give 2 squats about the people. Again Joe... 2 cheeks on the same ass. Just because someone critisizes dear leader it does not make them republican. There was nothing in either of my statements above that would indicate I supported Bush. But if you sleep better at night by lumping everyone together instead of listening, kudos.

DsBound -> RE: Congress exempt... not surprised. (9/16/2013 2:39:47 PM)
To add... I'm not a republican, I'm a libertarian. I'm a woman, therefore not a "good old boy". Instantly using the excuse of "well the republicans did this" is old news. Newsflash... Obama is Bush's 4th term. Lol. They are one in the same. I'm sick of the elite getting a pass while the American people get crapped on.

MrRodgers -> RE: Congress exempt... not surprised. (9/16/2013 3:01:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DsBound The irony of loyalty to either party is insane... they don't give 2 squats about the people. Again Joe... 2 cheeks on the same ass. Just because someone critisizes dear leader it does not make them republican. There was nothing in either of my statements above that would indicate I supported Bush. But if you sleep better at night by lumping everyone together instead of listening, kudos. I don't know if this was directed at me but my remarks weren't directed at anybody specifically beyond my points. However, I lump together those who continue to participate in the non-reform that reform claims to be. The ACA is not reform at all in reality. It only brings in non-payers and prohibits some obviously life-shortening profiteering like limits and pre-conditions. [It] otherwise offers a potential and very likely windfall for insurance companies and with more paying patients...adding to the existing windfall for the drug companies. All I do is listen and read, read and read some more. It'd be nice if everybody did.

MrRodgers -> RE: Congress exempt... not surprised. (9/16/2013 3:14:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DsBound What a joke! I'll never understand why people get so excited about Obamacare. Don't you think its strange that the same asses that decided this was the best course for the people are the very ones that don't want it personally. I'm sick of hearing "its better than nothing" because it's not... the costs are simply to high.Congress exempt from Obamacare Congress already has health insurance through their employer. Just as any preferential health insurance can be continued in private industry...federal govt. coverage qualifies too. This means that there are going to be millions of Americas that will in effect...be exempt from the ACA. Thus you have no point of contention with any one of them. Oh and as for the costs...so far, premiumsare coming down at the local exchanges or otherwise unknown for some time.

ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: Congress exempt... not surprised. (9/16/2013 3:46:36 PM)
First, "you're" not "your" - it makes a difference. Second, I am NOT against the ACA. I think it is a good (not great) 1st step toward creating a sane healthcare system in the US. Removing pre-existing conditions is a no-brainer. Allowing adult children to remain on their parent's insurance is another great idea. I don't know that I agree with the insurance mandate - what does an unemployed person do for insurance? There are other issues but overall I see it as more good than bad. What I would like to have seen was The Public Option. One plan I heard floating around would have used the various healthcare companies (BC/BS, et al) to continue handling claims with the government ultimately paying the bill. The overall cost of such a plan seemed reasonable and removed the requirement of having a job to have healthcare coverage. Another plan I heard was to remove catostrophic care from the healthcare industry and put it on the government. This was also a straight-forward plan. There were many other variations yet the GOP refused to hear any of it - all they wanted was for this president to fail. And if that is what people elected their representaives for some this country is far more screwed-up than anyone knows.

DsBound -> RE: Congress exempt... not surprised. (9/16/2013 3:56:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: DsBound The irony of loyalty to either party is insane... they don't give 2 squats about the people. Again Joe... 2 cheeks on the same ass. Just because someone critisizes dear leader it does not make them republican. There was nothing in either of my statements above that would indicate I supported Bush. But if you sleep better at night by lumping everyone together instead of listening, kudos. I don't know if this was directed at me but my remarks weren't directed at anybody specifically beyond my points. However, I lump together those who continue to participate in the non-reform that reform claims to be. The ACA is not reform at all in reality. It only brings in non-payers and prohibits some obviously life-shortening profiteering like limits and pre-conditions. [It] otherwise offers a potential and very likely windfall for insurance companies and with more paying patients...adding to the existing windfall for the drug companies. All I do is listen and read, read and read some more. It'd be nice if everybody did. No... not directed towards you. ;)

Kirata -> RE: Congress exempt... not surprised. (9/17/2013 3:32:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Well how are they exempt? They have a large employer that offers them healthcare, now they can take the subsidy and go out in the market and do it. Nothing exempt. I was under the impression that if you don't have health insurance available through your employer, you're on your own in the exchange. On your own for the costs, I mean. Is that wrong? Because my understanding is that what Congress has done is exempt themselves from having to purchase insurance through the exchanges on their own dime like everybody else. http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/08/02/guess-whose-healthcare-premiums-arent-going-up-next-year-n1654588 K.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Congress exempt... not surprised. (9/17/2013 3:54:10 AM)
I remember talking about this, a few years ago. As someone who's read the law (because I had to) and who has just a bit of learnin', where consumer economics are concerned, This was bound to happen. Back then, I gave the example of the cost of motorcycle helmets. I lived in NJ where helmets were mandatory. Where I lived in NJ (New Brunswick) was about 26 miles from Morrisville, PA. where helmets are not mandatory. The difference in price between NJ and PA was offensive to anyone with two brain cells to rub together. Same helmets. the stores were about 6 miles apart (The New Jersey store was in Lawrenceville and the PA store was in Morrisville). Same *kind* of stores (in fact, the one in PA was a bit more of a "local retailer" that sold all brands of bikes {so, their prices would tend to be a bit higher, on average} as opposed to the one in NJ which was a Yamaha dealer). Why the difference? Because in NJ, the people HAD to wear helmets. They had no choice. They were fucked and the profiteers went to work. It's the same thing, happening, here. As I said, from the beginning; this law should have been named "Love Letter To the Insurance Industry". Sure, they lost the pre-existing condition thing but that was going the way of all flesh, anyway. What they gained was a law that made insurance purchases mandatory which makes them more profit and eliminates (presumably) uninsured patients that someone has to pay for. Never missing an opportunity to draw blood, they started re-packaging coverages by eliminating older coverages and putting people onto "new and improved" (for the insurance company) plans. Nothing new in that and it was an immensely predictable outcome ... for anyone with two brain cells to rub together. I guess this says quite a bit about Obummer, also.

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