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mnottertail -> two things. (9/19/2013 6:47:16 AM)
Fed does not start to dry up quantitative easing. What does this mean for the economy? House republicans are gonna send a spending bill to the Senate (most likely) at the last minute with an amendment that defunds Obamacare. Senate will certainly reject the amendment and send the bill back to the house nearly immediately minus the amendment, passed; putting it on the republicans, which is where it belongs, and what is the fallout for the republicans? Last time they tried to do some stupid shit like that was 96, lost the white house (Dole got hammered), Gingrich lost his power, and they were sidelined. What does this mean for the economy?

DesideriScuri -> RE: two things. (9/19/2013 7:06:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Fed does not start to dry up quantitative easing. What does this mean for the economy? The economy will continue to crawl forward, relying on government largesse. Misallocation of resources and investments will continue, and a new bubble will continue to grow. quote: House republicans are gonna send a spending bill to the Senate (most likely) at the last minute with an amendment that defunds Obamacare. Senate will certainly reject the amendment and send the bill back to the house nearly immediately minus the amendment, passed; putting it on the republicans, which is where it belongs, and what is the fallout for the republicans? Last time they tried to do some stupid shit like that was 96, lost the white house (Dole got hammered), Gingrich lost his power, and they were sidelined. What does this mean for the economy? Blaming Dole's loss on the R's shutdown of government in '96? <Smirk> Dole was even more wooden than Kerry. But, that probably had nothing to do with it, right? What will the government gridlock mean for the economy? The economy will likely take a slight hit as people worry about the fall out (driven in no small part by liberal fear-mongering). It will also put a pause in the business community as they can't forecast future activities without knowing wtf is going to happen, regarding Obamacare, and I'm sure most or all of them are interested in the developments.

mnottertail -> RE: two things. (9/19/2013 7:46:50 AM)
I more see the outcome as a nutsucker caterwaul rather than liberal fear mongering, that fear mongering seems to be the sole purview of the nutsuckers.

DomKen -> RE: two things. (9/19/2013 7:47:09 AM)
Several million people suddenly out of work won't affect the economy? Since when?

Phydeaux -> RE: two things. (9/19/2013 8:15:42 AM)
Last time in the followup elections they were +2 -9. What the republicans have to decide is: are they willing to shut the goverment down. If they are willing, they have to be willing to do it all the way. Yes, they will get blamed by the media. But if they stick to their guns and keep saying: We passed a bill that funds the govt for everything but obamacare, eventually the blame will shift. Just about the worst case you can do is shut down the govt and then blink. Personally, my suggest is better. Piecemeal passing of the bill. Let the press cover each time the house passes the bill. Obama care is unpopular with the American people (although clearly not here). If they stick to their guns their constituents (and the american people in general) will applaud.

DomKen -> RE: two things. (9/19/2013 8:23:47 AM)
The ACA is not unpopular when what it does is presented to the people. As a matter of fact the reason cons are so desperate to stop it is that one of the signature elements that will be very popular is about to go live.

Phydeaux -> RE: two things. (9/19/2013 8:32:49 AM)
Which is just spin, since you don't get only the desert. Some times you have to eat the vegetables. Despite 3 years, hundreds of democrats spinning, and hundreds of millions spent extolling the virtues... obamacare is still unpopular and sinking fast. Givent that medical expenses run tens of thousands of dollars, and that obama care guarantees I can sign up for it any time I need it - I, like every other american with a brain, will not sign up for it. And we'll pay the $95 dollar penalty, and sign up if and when we need it. Of course, the next side effect will be: When a company has an employee that signs up for the exchanges - the company gets hit with a $2500 or $3500 penalty. But the employees won't sign up for it until they need it. Smart companies will make deals with employees - give them $500 bucks to fire them, have them sign up for health insurance while they are not employed and then rehire them.

mnottertail -> RE: two things. (9/19/2013 8:56:30 AM)
LOL, pure hallucination.

DesideriScuri -> RE: two things. (9/19/2013 9:02:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Several million people suddenly out of work won't affect the economy? Since when? Any support for your claim of "several million people suddenly out of work?" And, which one of the two conditions were you making that claim about?

mnottertail -> RE: two things. (9/19/2013 9:37:05 AM)
All the medical personnel, and insurance companies, just because the program would be defunded wouldnt make them less liable to continue under the Obamacare law.

DesideriScuri -> RE: two things. (9/19/2013 9:45:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail All the medical personnel, and insurance companies, just because the program would be defunded wouldnt make them less liable to continue under the Obamacare law. No citation?

DomKen -> RE: two things. (9/19/2013 9:52:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Several million people suddenly out of work won't affect the economy? Since when? Any support for your claim of "several million people suddenly out of work?" And, which one of the two conditions were you making that claim about? If the government shuts down that will put several million people out of work directly and indirectly.

mnottertail -> RE: two things. (9/19/2013 9:53:19 AM)
Nah, that don't need a citation. Government shuts down tomorrow, no funding for nothing, is speeding or theft or murder legal all of a sudden?

popeye1250 -> RE: two things. (9/19/2013 10:08:19 AM)
The biggest champions of the ACA are now all getting "exemptions" from it. Our Congress is exempt from it as are big businesses and Labor Unions. If it's such a "good" thing don't you think they'd all want to be included in it?

mnottertail -> RE: two things. (9/19/2013 10:12:33 AM)
Cuz they want welfare squids to run the gauntlet of the death panels first.

DesideriScuri -> RE: two things. (9/19/2013 10:24:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Several million people suddenly out of work won't affect the economy? Since when? Any support for your claim of "several million people suddenly out of work?" And, which one of the two conditions were you making that claim about? If the government shuts down that will put several million people out of work directly and indirectly. So, no. No citations. Got it.

mnottertail -> RE: two things. (9/19/2013 10:27:23 AM)
No citations needed, remember last shutdown and the contractor letters being sent out? You don't think it will happen if the government shuts down? Already happening during sequestration.

DesideriScuri -> RE: two things. (9/19/2013 10:34:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail No citations needed, remember last shutdown and the contractor letters being sent out? You don't think it will happen if the government shuts down? Already happening during sequestration. So, no citation of the "several million people suddenly out of work." Got it.

mnottertail -> RE: two things. (9/19/2013 10:56:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail No citations needed, remember last shutdown and the contractor letters being sent out? You don't think it will happen if the government shuts down? Already happening during sequestration. So, no citation of the "several million people suddenly out of work." Got it. So, nothing but impugnations with no citations as always, got it.

DesideriScuri -> RE: two things. (9/19/2013 11:14:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail No citations needed, remember last shutdown and the contractor letters being sent out? You don't think it will happen if the government shuts down? Already happening during sequestration. So, no citation of the "several million people suddenly out of work." Got it. So, nothing but impugnations with no citations as always, got it. His claim. His duty to support it.

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