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you me . Also the only reason militias were in the South was to keep the black slaves in line. So racism was the reason for the second amendment. You may also consider more recent reports.

Those wern't militias, they were the KKK. Furthermore racism was the reason gun control started in the south. They made it unlawful for newly freed slaves to arm themselves.

Edited to add.......duhhh!!!!

The KKK was after the Civil War.

Ok, so you posted links to UK crime stats and made the above statement. What does one have to do with the other ? Where did the above statement on militias and slaves come from ? And the Second Amendment was for racism ? That's news to me.

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The drug dealer/thief

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you me . Also the only reason militias were in the South was to keep the black slaves in line. So racism was the reason for the second amendment. You may also consider more recent reports.

Those wern't militias, they were the KKK. Furthermore racism was the reason gun control started in the south. They made it unlawful for newly freed slaves to arm themselves.

Edited to add.......duhhh!!!!

The KKK was after the Civil War.

Ok, so you posted links to UK crime stats and made the above statement. What does one have to do with the other ? Where did the above statement on militias and slaves come from ? And the Second Amendment was for racism ? That's news to me.

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You must be a truly happy man.

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You must be a truly happy man.

That should have been my line.

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I carry to keep my stuff

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The drug dealer/thief

In my career in criminal justice I have not known a drug dealer/thief. Drug dealing is a full time job and I never met a drug dealer interested in stolen goods, cash is to their liking. I will say that I have encountered drug addicts who broke into homes in search of money to buy drugs, but no dealers.

What you don't know will fill an encyclopedia.


And what you think you know would fill the Library of Congress.

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Nor did I advance such a claim. What I advanced is that gun control laws do not reduce gun violence. What you view as 'ancient' statistice I specifically chose as a benchmark.

Gun control nuts make the argument that britain has gun control laws and very low gun deaths. therefore gun control works.

This is shown to be false as gun deaths rose after the pistol act of 1903 and after the tighter restrictions later. Gun deaths are higher now than before gun control laws were passed - and there is now a 100 year history showing gun control laws did not do what gun control advocates say they did.

Second - I am conversant with your study you quoted. The fact that they were doctors is of no bearing in the study. Their expertise as doctors doesn't come into play. You might as well query them on lunar phases of the moon, brazilian soccer, or man in the mooon marigolds.

Thats study was utter tripe

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Also the only reason militias were in the South was to keep the black slaves in line. So racism was the reason for the second amendment.

Every time I think you cannot post something more ignorant then your previous efforts, you prove me wrong.

Then again you should not worry about Zombies either, they eat brains so your safe.

http://truth-out.org/news/item/13890-the-second-amendment-was-ratified-to-preserve-slavery

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I knew one. When sales got slow he stole things to supplement his income. Just because you personally don't know about something, doesn't mean it isn't out there.

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the Second Amendment was for racism ? That's news to me.

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I carry to keep my stuff

what stuff do you have that is worth killing for?

My stuff is insured, seems an easier way of doing things

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Nor did I advance such a claim. What I advanced is that gun control laws do not reduce gun violence. What you view as 'ancient' statistice I specifically chose as a benchmark.

Gun control nuts make the argument that britain has gun control laws and very low gun deaths. therefore gun control works.

This is shown to be false as gun deaths rose after the pistol act of 1903 and after the tighter restrictions later. Gun deaths are higher now than before gun control laws were passed - and there is now a 100 year history showing gun control laws did not do what gun control advocates say they did.

Second - I am conversant with your study you quoted. The fact that they were doctors is of no bearing in the study. Their expertise as doctors doesn't come into play. You might as well query them on lunar phases of the moon, brazilian soccer, or man in the mooon marigolds.

Thats study was utter tripe

Do you have any figures to back the bolded claim up with ? Especially for after 1903. And I do mean offical UK figures.

Just looking at stats from the last 20 years proves you are wrong. the high figure of 1996 was due to the Dunblane massacre, the hand gun ban was after that. I am unsure why people make stuff up which is so easily disproved.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/region/192/rate_of_gun_homicide

Below is a stat re long term murder rates by any means in the UK, down decade after decade until rising again from the 1970s until mid 1990s

RESEARCH PAPER 99/111
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VI. Crime: Indictable offences, homicides and Police numbers.
Homicides per million population in England and Wales
Year Homicides
1900 9.6
1910 8.1
1920 8.3
1930 7.5
1940 ..
1950 7.9
1955 6.3
1960 6.2
1965 6.8
1970 8.1
1975 10.3
1980 12.5
1985 12.5
1990 13.1
1995 14.5
1997 14.1

Source for the above list is section VI http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons/lib/research/rp99/rp99-111.pdf

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Also the only reason militias were in the South was to keep the black slaves in line. So racism was the reason for the second amendment.

Every time I think you cannot post something more ignorant then your previous efforts, you prove me wrong.

Then again you should not worry about Zombies either, they eat brains so your safe.

http://truth-out.org/news/item/13890-the-second-amendment-was-ratified-to-preserve-slavery

The person who was referred to in that article was well named., "Dr. Carl T. Bogus"

Was he a classmate of yours when you were getting your "multiple advanced degrees" that you claim.

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Earlier you said that the law was passed in 1923 if my feeble colonial memory serves 1903 is before WWI

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My post #87 and the relevant paragraph.

You are spouting even more bollocks re gun ownership in the UK as a whole prior to the 1923 Firearms act (Note the date) Up until then ANYONE could own a weapon. The 1903 Pistol act was introduced to stop pistols getting into the hands of criminals and drunkards, you could still obtain one with a license and that continued to be the case right up until the Dunblane Massacre which took place in a school. Stricter firearms controls took place in 1923 exactly for the reasons stated, the country was awash with guns.

Like I said, you are indeed entitled to your own incorrect opinion but not your own facts.

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I carry to keep my stuff

what stuff do you have that is worth killing for?

My stuff is insured, seems an easier way of doing things

Glad to hear that since anyone has the right to just come in and take your stuff what do you have that I can use.

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Also the only reason militias were in the South was to keep the black slaves in line. So racism was the reason for the second amendment. You may also consider more recent reports.


To the extent that this is true it is like saying that Dillinger preferred model A so the model A was created to help bank robbers.