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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

maybe it's because english is not my native language but a drug dealer isn't someone you go to and give money in exchange of a dose of drug?

Unless they decide that they just want your money or your car and steal it.
By and large, these are not honest businesspersons.

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I carry to keep my stuff

what stuff do you have that is worth killing for?

My stuff is insured, seems an easier way of doing things

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

I am really wondering just how many here have had any experience in the criminal justice system. Most drug dealers I have had contact with don't use drugs, especially the stuff they sale. Yes at the very low end drug users, will buy 4 bags, use three and the cut the fourth and sell it to buy more drugs.

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ORIGINAL: graceadieu

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

maybe it's because english is not my native language but a drug dealer isn't someone you go to and give money in exchange of a dose of drug?

Unless they decide that they just want your money or your car and steal it.
By and large, these are not honest businesspersons.

Honest or no, they won't stay in business long if they rob all their customers. What's better for a salesman - to keep their regular customers happy and paying every single week and bringing their friends to pay, or to piss off their customers and get a bad rep? Hint: it's the former.

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ORIGINAL: graceadieu

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I carry to keep my stuff

what stuff do you have that is worth killing for?

My stuff is insured, seems an easier way of doing things

Right - no wallet is worth killing or dying for. Those credit cards can be cancelled, that driver's license and $50 in cash can be replaced. Your life can't, your freedom from prison (since in most places you have a duty to retreat) can't.

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I think the answer was some how ironic just as my question was sarcastic, but probably hillwilliam had some bad experience buying dope as a turist,

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

To those who say that stuff can be insured, and all that other bs.

1) Law enforcement response time in my part of the county 25 to thirty minutes and could be as long as an hour.
2) Time it takes to grab my 1911 and jack a round in the chamber, 12 seconds.
3) Nothing is worth killing for? Okay how about you tell that to William Petit who's house was invaded, he was beaten and almost killed, his wife and daughters raped and murdered. I dare you to say that to his face and then get pissed when he beats the living shit out of you.
4) Nothing worth dieing for, now this is as about as stupid a concept as can be expressed by human with an IQ higher than your average rock. As a young man, I thought this country was worth dieing for, now it is my family. The thing is I dont plan on dieing, but anyone breaking into my home has a fucking good chance of dieing or at the very least having a few extra holes punched into center mass. By the way, since there is no law on what kind of ammo that a person can use to protect his home, my .45 is loaded with hydroshocks.

Now for the inevitable criminals have rights crap. Once a criminal chooses to break the law and indanger another individual, he lost his rights. If that individual is armed and decides to send the criminal to hell, well the criminal made his choice.

I have actually been sued for shooting an intruder. It was real interesting considering I filed a counter suit. I won, the intruder and his family lost, and the local paper blasted great big photos on the front page of these idiots.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I have no sympathy for thieves but what is a life worth when weighed against things? For instance here in St. Louis an off duty police officer and his girlfriend were jogging in our city park. The officer noticed a single black male checking them out as they went by and became suspicious. Evidently he was jogging with his weapon and when he saw the same man with two other black youths step in front of them on the path he drew his weapon and held it out of view as they approached.

One of the youths had a gun and demanded their valuables. The police officer shot the man with the gun twice killing him instantly then proceeded to shoot both of the remaining youths wounding them.

To me he put the life of his girlfriend in danger unnecessarily. On top of that he traded the life of another for a few bucks and a credit card in his pocket… this is what guns do.

I am not crying over this boy… I hate thieves.. But wasn’t his life worth a little more?

I know I will get burned here for being soft and a bleeding heart but if that young man had been my son it would not hurt any less because he was a thief.


Butch

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

The other two were unarmed and running away. Seems to me he could have given them the wallet and then if he had to shoot. But like I said I have no sympathy for them. The point I guess I am trying to make is the guns of both were the reason one was dead and two wounded... this is what having guns does. This encounter could have just as easily ended up with both the girl and off duty officer dead or an innocent bystander from the gun fight in a public park.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I have no sympathy for thieves but what is a life worth when weighed against things? For instance here in St. Louis an off duty police officer and his girlfriend were jogging in our city park. The officer noticed a single black male checking them out as they went by and became suspicious. Evidently he was jogging with his weapon and when he saw the same man with two other black youths step in front of them on the path he drew his weapon and held it out of view as they approached.

One of the youths had a gun and demanded their valuables. The police officer shot the man with the gun twice killing him instantly then proceeded to shoot both of the remaining youths wounding them.

To me he put the life of his girlfriend in danger unnecessarily. On top of that he traded the life of another for a few bucks and a credit card in his pocket… this is what guns do.

I am not crying over this boy… I hate thieves.. But wasn’t his life worth a little more?

I know I will get burned here for being soft and a bleeding heart but if that young man had been my son it would not hurt any less because he was a thief.


Butch

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


No the thug gave up his life by threatening them with harm. He died not because the cop valued his credit card above the thugs life, but because he valued his girlfriend above the thugs life.

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I think the answer was some how ironic just as my question was sarcastic, but probably hillwilliam had some bad experience buying dope as a turist,

Would it be a TOS violation to say you're full of shit?

Actually, I was a High school teacher and I got to get know a lot of the little scumbags. The cool thing is that one or 2 of them ended up becoming cops.

So much for your asinine little theory.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: eulero83



I think the answer was some how ironic just as my question was sarcastic, but probably hillwilliam had some bad experience buying dope as a turist,

Would it be a TOS violation to say you're full of shit?

Actually, I was a High school teacher and I got to get know a lot of the little scumbags. The cool thing is that one or 2 of them ended up becoming cops.

So much for your asinine little theory.

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ORIGINAL: graceadieu

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I carry to keep my stuff

what stuff do you have that is worth killing for?

My stuff is insured, seems an easier way of doing things

Right - no wallet is worth killing or dying for. Those credit cards can be cancelled, that driver's license and $50 in cash can be replaced. Your life can't, your freedom from prison (since in most places you have a duty to retreat) can't.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

In recent memory:

34 killed and/or wounded Columbine.
82 killed and/or wounded Aurora, Co.
30 killed and/or wounded Sandy Hook Elementary.
26 killed and/or wounded Washington Naval Yard.
172 total killed or wounded by 4 madmen.


285 killed at Boston Marathon ... without using a gun

2,985 killed in the 9/11/01 attacks ... without using a gun.