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Is Google Wrecking Our Memory? - 9/23/2013 7:20:52 PM   
TheHeretic


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Status: offline 		A really interesting article from Slate, excerpted from a book on the subject.

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Is the Internet ruining our ability to remember facts? If you’ve ever lunged for your smartphone during a bar argument (“one-hit father of twerking pop star”—Billy Ray Cyrus!), then you’ve no doubt felt the nagging fear that your in-brain memory is slowly draining away. As even more fiendishly powerful search tools emerge—from IBM’s Jeopardy!-playing Watson to the “predictive search” of Google Now—these worries are, let’s face it, only going to grow.

So what’s going on? Each time we reach for the mouse pad when we space out on the ingredients for a Tom Collins or the capital of Arkansas, are we losing the power to retain knowledge?

The short answer is: No. Machines aren’t ruining our memory.

The longer answer: It’s much, much weirder than that!



An old girlfriend (I called her my sexretary) had an amazing knack for remembering phone numbers. Good thing my phone has a memory for them, because she also had an amazing knack for driving me out of my fucking mind.

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RE: Is Google Wrecking Our Memory? - 9/23/2013 7:29:37 PM   
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RE: Is Google Wrecking Our Memory? - 9/23/2013 8:41:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		how about a qualifying question: if a a query that demands an answer which is anthropological in origin is posed to you, do you think "I might have to find that 1965 tome, in the library, which is considered 'canon' on the subject, or

do you just say "Like, dude, whatevs" and be one more wiki-twat and hit the link for the nearest crowd-sourced piece of crap pseudo-site which always seems linked to amazon or imdb?

There lies the rub. If you are category A, then no it doesn't. If you are category B, you probably didn't have that much memory to wreck anyhoo.

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RE: Is Google Wrecking Our Memory? - 9/23/2013 8:50:48 PM   
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I'm lucky to know my own cell number. My home phone is programmed in my cell.

It allows me to free up memory space for the more important knowledge such as “one-hit father of twerking pop star”.


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RE: Is Google Wrecking Our Memory? - 9/23/2013 8:54:17 PM   
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RE: Is Google Wrecking Our Memory? - 9/23/2013 9:10:55 PM   
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how about a qualifying question: if a a query that demands an answer which is anthropological in origin is posed to you, do you think "I might have to find that 1965 tome, in the library, which is considered 'canon' on the subject, or

do you just say "Like, dude, whatevs" and be one more wiki-twat and hit the link for the nearest crowd-sourced piece of crap pseudo-site which always seems linked to amazon or imdb?




That goes to the intellect of the individual, not the particular medium of storage. The selection of options on a page of search results has nothing to do with the ability to do the search.

And Google is frequently faster than grabbing a book with the same information off the shelf behind me.

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RE: Is Google Wrecking Our Memory? - 9/23/2013 9:23:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
That goes to the intellect of the individual, not the particular medium of storage. The selection of options on a page of search results has nothing to do with the ability to do the search.

And Google is frequently faster than grabbing a book with the same information off the shelf behind me.


I agree. And more readily available in case one's house isn't stocked like a library.

I find it irrelevant whether I'm reading the information from a book or off a screen. Either way, it's always the quality of content and my understanding that'll determine whether or not I'll remember it.

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RE: Is Google Wrecking Our Memory? - 9/23/2013 9:26:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		"The selection of options on a page of search results has nothing to do with the ability to do the search. "

No but it DOES have to do with the laziness inherent in someone not bothering to acknowledge that the vetting system for wiki-data is a complaint topic even by people who add info to wiki-crap, and google has been railed at and legally bitched at for skewing search results in accordance to how they can generate the most profit from their rankings.

sometimes, the medium IS the message. And there are many items of information that are not included in digitized form because the people that run places like google must choose to have such material uploaded, must allow such material to be uploaded. The nastiest kinkiest ero-comics by Eric Stanton exist, and until 3 years ago were easy to find in itemized fashion on the nest, and now fffffft! gone, unless you have the hard copy.

So no. The Onanistic Love of the young for tech because they regard tech as an extension of themselves does not render the tech, in and of itself, more than it is. and often, it's wantastic bullshit.

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RE: Is Google Wrecking Our Memory? - 9/23/2013 9:28:55 PM   
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RE: Is Google Wrecking Our Memory? - 9/23/2013 9:35:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting that you would use the example of old stroke comics, then proceed to use "onanistic" as the preferred slur for those who fall under your disdain...

Whether a library consists of scholarly works, or a wad of Bazooka gum wrappers does not alter the fact that we still kept our memories in storage other than our heads prior to the advent of computers. You might as well bitch that the better information was all in the stone carvings, rather than on that new fangled papyrus shit.

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RE: Is Google Wrecking Our Memory? - 9/23/2013 9:37:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		well,.. I blame Microsoft cuz I have forgotten how to spell certain words, I attribute that to spell check on my Microsoft word program.. so I don't blame google for that (I blame them for other things tho)..
nope, its Bill Gates & Microsoft's fault!!!

As far as memory goes, I have always put minor (not important to me) info into temporary memory (to be forgotten asap) and important stuff in the permanent memory parts of my grey matter..

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RE: Is Google Wrecking Our Memory? - 9/23/2013 9:40:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		The impact of auto-correct on learning is a very valid question, TJ. If I had come across an article on that, it likely would have gotten a thread for sharing as well.

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RE: Is Google Wrecking Our Memory? - 9/23/2013 9:51:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		rather than on that new fangled papyrus shit.

But that's the point. Anyone could make themselves some papyrus and cut a reed into shape and use their blood if need be to make something that could last centuries. But one dipshit Gen Y Wank who gets upset when someone reminds him that zombies are actually tragic passive slaves, rather than ravening flesh eaters, as they'd know if they bothered to read a paper dictionary or even browse the APPLEBOOK APP from 2008, has the freedom to make sure no page that ever draws that destion gets any play on the google or wiki pages, if the gen Y Wank works at Google or Wikipedia.

The emotional aspects of the people that design a set of web-pages decides what goes on the pages or what is passive-aggressively censored by NOT ADMITTING the info onto the pages. Memory storage is less than a third of memory. Initial absorption is equal to storage. If weak-arse "shootem-up" game addicts on google's pay-roll "accidentally" have a page knocked down in the rankings and then such pages disappear, it's still part of memory, and part of how Google affects it. And how any "It's only been 20 hours and I haven't hit the next level yet" console crapster affects it if they - and thus their mindset - have been hired by Google.

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RE: Is Google Wrecking Our Memory? - 9/23/2013 10:31:11 PM   
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And have a lovely night. The piece is there, for those who might want to read it.

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RE: Is Google Wrecking Our Memory? - 9/23/2013 10:45:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NoBimbosAllowed

But one dipshit Gen Y Wank who gets upset when someone reminds him that zombies are actually tragic passive slaves, rather than ravening flesh eaters, as they'd know if they bothered to read a paper dictionary....

If weak-arse "shootem-up" game addicts on google's pay-roll "accidentally" have a page knocked down in the rankings and then such pages disappear, it's still part of memory, and part of how Google affects it. And how any "It's only been 20 hours and I haven't hit the next level yet" console crapster affects it if they - and thus their mindset - have been hired by Google.


What I don't get NoBimbos, is what is with all this hostility toward young folk that I've been reading in so many of your posts lately? If you are of my generation, then it was hours spent on PacMan & Space Invaders at the pinball arcade. I have a Gen-Xer (it was Atari in those days, later Nintendo) and Gen-Y son who gets straight As. There's only one Xbox VG I learned to play about 5 years ago, which is Earth Defense Force, and I finally got good at it with my son's coaching, healing me multiple times with 1st aid kits while his guy ran circles around me. It gave me newfound respect for how expertly skilled, super-coordinated, what amazingly fast reflexes and teamwork these boys have as our next generation of brave soldiers and fierce warriors. You do them a disservice with your disdainful remarks.
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RE: Is Google Wrecking Our Memory? - 9/23/2013 11:07:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		"So use Bing.

And have a lovely night. The piece is there, for those who might want to read it.

and that flippancy while avoiding the point equates to a bimbo from "The Hills" muttering "what-evs" and checking her text-messages. well-done in using an object lesson in proving my point. And Bing is no different, as my point was based on the work ethic of people using search engines and using the additional add-ons of memory storage from said search engines. laziness is laziness, especially when exemplified by a faux-attempt at being laconic.

Tigress: remonstrating is not hostility. Gen Y has been interviewed for studies by more than one Univerisity on the subject of "what constitutes stealing", with a focus on plagiarism. For University Finals, manuscripts presented to publishers, etc. Apparently over 70% of them didn't consider plagiarism a problem, much less a crime. Less than 30 % of them (according to the NPR piece) understood that cutting and pasting someone else's work and using it as their own was a CRIME.

Your kids can very well be the exception to the rule, but I ask you to consider that their exception does not create a rule, that those Gen Y's that choose to nobly serve in uniform are in the minority (and I APPLAUD THEM LOUDLY), but I ask you to remember the behaviour of people on sports teams in the 1960's, the 1970's, and then look at the asswipes like Nic Darcy. Or the people that will choke a coach or ref for making a call that demands they take a seat.

By recognizing and refusing to ignore the bad behaviour of twenty somethings born in the same span as your children, I do NOT demaean your children, and you have no right to wedgetail that into what I wrote above, at all.



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RE: Is Google Wrecking Our Memory? - 9/25/2013 6:22:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not at all, people don't realize that without search engines we'd still be in the same thought process of 90s. If we didn't know something back then instead of searching for the answer we left it at that. Sometimes we never learned the correct answer, so i don't see how Google could possibly be destroying our memory. If anything I think society as a whole has become smarter. Just think about how many times Google has led you to a Wikipedia page and an hour later you've become an expert at that particular subject.

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RE: Is Google Wrecking Our Memory? - 9/25/2013 9:22:42 AM   
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However I see nothing wrong in dismissing someone by saying "Whatever dude". It's a highly effective way to get your contempt for someone across without violating any rules.

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RE: Is Google Wrecking Our Memory? - 9/25/2013 1:16:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK
Interesting. I do think we rely too much on computers and not enough on our brain.

I see it quite differently. Inevitably in the information age information is only going to become more and more readily available. The general consensus among futurists is that our educational institutions need to adapt. We need to stop trying to cram students' heads full of facts which are readily available to them and instead teach them how to actually think about those facts.


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RE: Is Google Wrecking Our Memory? - 9/25/2013 2:20:16 PM   
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I agree that maybe memorizing the periodic elements and their atomic weights is not the best use of their brain. There should be more emphasis on learning how to think through problems, and how to utilize the information that's available. And on how to come to your own conclusions, rather than be hand fed them.

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