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RE: Brazil said it! - 9/26/2013 1:16:22 PM

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No, that is not the corollary.

ex cathedra

I expect other countries to spy. I expect our government to prevent it to the extent possible. I do object when China steals more than a trillion dollars of intellectual property and *nothing* is done.
What is to be done about the intellectual property stolen from brazil? Or is that different?
Here is a thought...perhaps we did nothing to china because china is not afraid of us? China also has the muscle to back up her shit otherwise the chicken hawks in dc would be talking shit like they do about the sand box.

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RE: Brazil said it! - 9/26/2013 2:50:02 PM

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Looks like we're a-gonna be democratizing again in the hemispere. I better go brush up on my Spanish.

No need, Brazil isn't a Hispanic country, they speak Portuguese there.

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RE: Brazil said it! - 9/26/2013 2:56:27 PM

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Looks like we're a-gonna be democratizing again in the hemispere. I better go brush up on my Spanish.

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No need, Brazil isn't a Hispanic country, they speak Portuguese there.

Hispanic (Spanish: hispano, hispánico; Portuguese: hispânico, hispano, Catalan: hispà, hispànic)[1][2] is an ethnonym that denotes a relationship to Spain or, in some definitions, to ancient Hispania, which comprised the Iberian Peninsula including the modern states of Andorra, Portugal, and Spain and the British Crown Dependency of Gibraltar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic

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RE: Brazil said it! - 9/27/2013 6:46:36 AM

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I forgot to put in the link for the article - sorry, here it comes:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/24/brazil-president-un-speech-nsa-surveillance

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RE: Brazil said it! - 9/27/2013 6:56:05 AM

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Gosh the NSA is spying on people. WOW, what a surprise. Here's another surprise. That's their job! The Brazilian President doesn't like that the USA has better code breakers than he's got code creators. That is not the fault of the USA but Brazil. What 'international law' do the NSA break exactly? I would suspect China has done the same in Brazil as well. Why isn't the Brazilian President lashing out at China?

All this is, is other countries intelligence groups have been out performed by the NSA for years and now can smack them on the face. Of course all these same countries are happy (if not grateful) when the NSA detects an actual terrorist plot in the making in their backyard. They tell the White House/Pentagon who in turn tells that government. And that government takes down the terrorists and claims credit for the whole thing. How often has the NSA done things that helped removed the 'bad guys' from doing 'bad things' to 'good people', and taking the credit for it? Never. That's not their way. It really doesn't matter who is in the White House at the time, the NSA's job is to keep the nation safe however it can.

I think the US would scream loud enough to be heard all over the globe if anyone listened to the phone calls of the US president, or if all the US citizens were supervised from abroad by other countries, or if other countries were busy looking over the shoulder of firms and military institutions. This is not a simple safety measure, it is US playing Big Brother.

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RE: Brazil said it! - 9/27/2013 6:57:54 AM

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Everyone should be saying it... fully agree. Not sure about the UN overseeing it, I've never been a fan. Read here.

I agree. Everyone should be saying it. But there are at least two camps i know of who are not.

A) It's not really happening.
Somehow, despite all the information readily available there seems to be large swaths of Americans who do not believe the US Govt does such things. Take a look at the iPhone with it's biometric authentication. If you asked a normal American if they'd consent to being fingerprinted "just because" and having a GPS tracker embedded in their skin they'd look at you like you were nuts. Yet they will buy this product.

B) It's OK, I'm not doing anything wrong.
There's really no argument against this. These are folks who know nothing about history and for whatever reasons trust the US government.

I am afraid your point are all too valid :-(

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RE: Brazil said it! - 9/27/2013 7:00:14 AM

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Anyone actually removing the NSA electronic communications snooping from their country will quickly become a new terrorist training and staging area. They tend to be active where they are once they build enough strength to sustain a campaign, leading to the unintended consequence of such countries having to imitate the NSA to survive being transformed by the ambitions of the various terrorists. Only they won't have the experience, resources or capabilities of the NSA. So they perish or ask the NSA and it's government masters for help? Being 'not-USA' doesn't mean they aren't just as condemned as modern Capitalist Western cultures the Wahhabi Jihadists and other anti-Western terrorists are seeking to annihilate.
Brazil's economy would be as damaged by a major terror success in the US as our economy or that of any of our other major trading partners. It's an interconnected world for better and worse.

You think the world at large will perish in terorist attacks if the US does not snoop on everyone?

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RE: Brazil said it! - 9/27/2013 7:01:53 AM

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The more we are desensitized to it, the more we let these things slide, the more they will take and overstep. Think about it for a moment... A warrant that can cover millions of peoples cell phone records?? Scary.

Too right..

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RE: Brazil said it! - 9/27/2013 7:03:26 AM

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Can only laugh at this hysterical indignation. As several have pointed out, spying is what nations and city-states have done, do, and will do into forever. Bah!

Bah - humbug! :-))

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RE: Brazil said it! - 9/27/2013 7:04:50 AM

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I've got no problem with the US spying on other countries. US citizens - is another matter as I've been posting about for 3 months now.

Seems to be a widespread opinion that it is ok to do it to others..?

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RE: Brazil said it! - 9/27/2013 8:53:58 AM

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Looks like we're a-gonna be democratizing again in the hemispere. I better go brush up on my Spanish.

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No need, Brazil isn't a Hispanic country, they speak Portuguese there.

Hispanic (Spanish: hispano, hispánico; Portuguese: hispânico, hispano, Catalan: hispà, hispànic)[1][2] is an ethnonym that denotes a relationship to Spain or, in some definitions, to ancient Hispania, which comprised the Iberian Peninsula including the modern states of Andorra, Portugal, and Spain and the British Crown Dependency of Gibraltar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic

You're correct. From the CIA Factbook: Portuguese (official and most widely spoken language)
note: less common languages include Spanish (border areas and schools), German, Italian, Japanese, English, and a large number of minor Amerindian languages.
Source: CIA World Factbook

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