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BamaD -> What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 11:26:57 AM)
There seems to be a wide difference of opinion as to what is justifiable self defense. My personal view is that when they break in to your home, or pull a weapon on you they are fair game. Some seem to think that an assailant must do much more, what do you think?

OsideGirl -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 11:30:04 AM)
My view is that if they're breaking into my home, they've already decided to do harm.

Hillwilliam -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 11:31:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl My view is that if they're breaking into my home, they've already decided to do harm. If they pull a weapon, they have likewise decided to do harm.

Yachtie -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 11:35:10 AM)
FR This should do [8D]

BamaD -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 11:36:15 AM)
I agree with both of you, thus my baseline.

DesideriScuri -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 11:39:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD There seems to be a wide difference of opinion as to what is justifiable self defense. My personal view is that when they break in to your home, or pull a weapon on you they are fair game. Some seem to think that an assailant must do much more, what do you think? I should have the right to defend my property from damage or harm. Destroying my property, or damaging it is a non-consensual way to change my rights to my personal property. While I don't think it's okay to shoot someone stealing your hubcaps, there needs to be some sort of limit on the use of deadly force in situations where the risk of loss isn't as great.

DaddySatyr -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 11:41:02 AM)
Breaking into my house is a no-brainer. I used to have a bumper sticker that read: "There's nothing in this car worth your life". If I saw someone peering into my car, I'd ask: "Can I help you?" If there was no answer or something indiscernable, I'd ask if something in my car belonged to them. It's just "stuff" but, it's my "stuff" and I worked hard for it. I think, unfortunately, parallel to the Zimmerman case has to come into this. If someone younger is on top of me and beating my ass and there doesn't seem to be any reason he'd stop, I would also consider that to be just cause.

OsideGirl -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 11:41:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl My view is that if they're breaking into my home, they've already decided to do harm. If they pull a weapon, they have likewise decided to do harm. Agreed.

joybaby -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 11:41:31 AM)
Off topic, and I apologize, but can someone please tell me what FR stands for? I didn't want to create a thread just to answer my stupid question =)

DaddySatyr -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 11:45:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joybaby Off topic, and I apologize, but can someone please tell me what FR stands for? I didn't want to create a thread just to answer my stupid question =) It stands for "Fast Reply" and it's to offset the "(in reply to _______)" that appears in the lower right of each post. It's so people know that you're not responding to anyone in particular.

joybaby -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 11:46:58 AM)
ah, thank you! Now it makes sense.

punisher440 -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 11:48:16 AM)
FR stands for fast reply...meaning it isn't addressed to only certain poster but just responding to the thread. OP, if someone breaks into my home and/or threatens me with a weapon of any kind they are deserving of me defending myself to the very best of my ability.

Hillwilliam -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 11:58:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr If someone younger is on top of me and beating my ass and there doesn't seem to be any reason he'd stop, I would also consider that to be just cause. Makes note to only beat the ass of people younger than me.[8D]

thompsonx -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 12:05:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD There seems to be a wide difference of opinion as to what is justifiable self defense. My personal view is that when they break in to your home, or pull a weapon on you they are fair game. Some seem to think that an assailant must do much more, what do you think? If by fair game you mean that you will kill them?

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 12:05:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joybaby ah, thank you! Now it makes sense. It's on the bottom of every single page of every single thread. Have a look down there -vvvvvvvvv-

thompsonx -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 12:07:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri While I don't think it's okay to shoot someone stealing your hubcaps, there needs to be some sort of limit on the use of deadly force in situations where the risk of loss isn't as great. What dollar value would you put on somehting that was being stolen from you for you to kill the robber?

tj444 -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 12:14:46 PM)
FR- there was a case here (in the last 2 or 3 days) where 3 people broke into a house.. they were fleeing the home and the homeowner chased after them, sticking a gun in the open window of a vehicle and shooting the female robber (the 2 robber dudes got away).. anyway, he killed her.. I don't know if the homeowner will be charged or not but neighbors said on tv they supported him and he did the right thing.. this kinda thing makes me cringe (since I come from a country with gun control laws and doing this would land you in jail with a fairly long sentence, fer sure).. I do think homeowners have the right to defend themselves but chasing after and killing someone running away is not simply defending themselves, imo..

DesideriScuri -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 12:17:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri While I don't think it's okay to shoot someone stealing your hubcaps, there needs to be some sort of limit on the use of deadly force in situations where the risk of loss isn't as great. What dollar value would you put on somehting that was being stolen from you for you to kill the robber? I have no dollar value limit. It's not about a "red line" across which I'm willing to take another's life. If I feel it's my life or his/hers, I'd do everything in my amazing (-ly limited) power.

thompsonx -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 12:20:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri While I don't think it's okay to shoot someone stealing your hubcaps, there needs to be some sort of limit on the use of deadly force in situations where the risk of loss isn't as great. What dollar value would you put on somehting that was being stolen from you for you to kill the robber? I have no dollar value limit. It's not about a "red line" across which I'm willing to take another's life. If I feel it's my life or his/hers, I'd do everything in my amazing (-ly limited) power. So so long a your life was not being threatened you would not kill to protect your property?

DesideriScuri -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 12:21:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri While I don't think it's okay to shoot someone stealing your hubcaps, there needs to be some sort of limit on the use of deadly force in situations where the risk of loss isn't as great. What dollar value would you put on somehting that was being stolen from you for you to kill the robber? I have no dollar value limit. It's not about a "red line" across which I'm willing to take another's life. If I feel it's my life or his/hers, I'd do everything in my amazing (-ly limited) power. So so long a your life was not being threatened you would not kill to protect your property? My life or the life of the ones I love, most likely not. What are you getting at? Just spit it out instead of attempting a "gotcha!"

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