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VideoAdminChi -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 12:24:20 PM)
FR, Y'all can have a (mostly) unmoderated discussion about this here: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment *

thompsonx -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 12:28:37 PM)
So so long a your life was not being threatened you would not kill to protect your property? My life or the life of the ones I love, most likely not. What are you getting at? Just spit it out instead of attempting a "gotcha!" It is not that difficult of a question and you have answered with a "most likely not" which is typically ambiguous. Is it really that hard to answer such a fucking simple question? If your life or the lives of your loved ones are not being threatened would you kill someone for stealing from you? One would think that a grown man would be able to answer such a simple question. Why do you feel that answering the question will expose you to a "gotcha" This is a discussion board, if you do not wish to discuss anything why the fuck are you here?

DesideriScuri -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 12:32:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx So so long a your life was not being threatened you would not kill to protect your property? My life or the life of the ones I love, most likely not. What are you getting at? Just spit it out instead of attempting a "gotcha!" It is not that difficult of a question and you have answered with a "most likely not" which is typically ambiguous. Is it really that hard to answer such a fucking simple question? If your life or the lives of your loved ones are not being threatened would you kill someone for stealing from you? One would think that a grown man would be able to answer such a simple question. Why do you feel that answering the question will expose you to a "gotcha" This is a discussion board, if you do not wish to discuss anything why the fuck are you here? Apparently, it is difficult for someone to accept that "red lines" tend to invite challenges to that line. And, I stand by my statement that I would most likely not be willing to kill someone without there being a danger to my or my loved ones' lives. You can either accept that or blow it out your ass. I care not which.

BamaD -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 12:39:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD There seems to be a wide difference of opinion as to what is justifiable self defense. My personal view is that when they break in to your home, or pull a weapon on you they are fair game. Some seem to think that an assailant must do much more, what do you think? If by fair game you mean that you will kill them? YES

thompsonx -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 12:47:26 PM)
You can either accept that or blow it out your ass. I care not which. [8\|]

thompsonx -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 12:49:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD There seems to be a wide difference of opinion as to what is justifiable self defense. My personal view is that when they break in to your home, or pull a weapon on you they are fair game. Some seem to think that an assailant must do much more, what do you think? If by fair game you mean that you will kill them? YES You would kill someone for breaking into your home? You would kill someone for stealing your things?

Hillwilliam -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 12:57:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD There seems to be a wide difference of opinion as to what is justifiable self defense. My personal view is that when they break in to your home, or pull a weapon on you they are fair game. Some seem to think that an assailant must do much more, what do you think? If by fair game you mean that you will kill them? YES You would kill someone for breaking into your home? You would kill someone for stealing your things? Sounds like you better cancel your weekend plans.[8D]

DsBound -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 12:57:48 PM)
As someone who has woken to burglars in my home...its frightening and I'd be hard pressed to ask any questions beforehand. Luckily at the time I had a large dog and his bark, combined with screaming "I'm letting my dog out", got them to leave. At the time, I didn't own a gun but thats been remedied for many, many years. Lol. No one can say how they'd react until you're in the moment, but now that I have children, I suspect Id point and shoot.

DsBound -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 12:59:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx So so long a your life was not being threatened you would not kill to protect your property? My life or the life of the ones I love, most likely not. What are you getting at? Just spit it out instead of attempting a "gotcha!" It is not that difficult of a question and you have answered with a "most likely not" which is typically ambiguous. Is it really that hard to answer such a fucking simple question? If your life or the lives of your loved ones are not being threatened would you kill someone for stealing from you? One would think that a grown man would be able to answer such a simple question. Why do you feel that answering the question will expose you to a "gotcha" This is a discussion board, if you do not wish to discuss anything why the fuck are you here? Its a bull shit question. You can speculate, which he did...

DsBound -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 1:02:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD There seems to be a wide difference of opinion as to what is justifiable self defense. My personal view is that when they break in to your home, or pull a weapon on you they are fair game. Some seem to think that an assailant must do much more, what do you think? If by fair game you mean that you will kill them? YES You would kill someone for breaking into your home? You would kill someone for stealing your things? Can you say for a fact they just want to steal and leave? Are you going to discuss this with them first or just wait and see.

OsideGirl -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 1:02:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri While I don't think it's okay to shoot someone stealing your hubcaps, there needs to be some sort of limit on the use of deadly force in situations where the risk of loss isn't as great. What dollar value would you put on somehting that was being stolen from you for you to kill the robber? Not everything has a dollar limit. Trust me, if I could have gotten my hands on the person that stole the box containing my grandparents Christmas ornaments, wedding photos, quilt, etc....I would have done them bodily harm.

thompsonx -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 1:10:39 PM)
Can you say for a fact they just want to steal and leave? Are you going to discuss this with them first or just wait and see. If I have a gun in my hand I do not have to discuss a mother fucking thing. The question is would you kill someone for stealing your shit? Would you kill someone for breaking into your home? We are not talking about a gun fight. We are not talking about someone attacking you. If you think it is a bullshit question perhaps you might pose that question to a cop and see what he tells you about how much time you could do for shooting someone who had broke into your home and is stealng your shit but is not threatning your life.

thompsonx -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 1:11:45 PM)
Not everything has a dollar limit. Trust me, if I could have gotten my hands on the person that stole the box containing my grandparents Christmas ornaments, wedding photos, quilt, etc....I would have done them bodily harm. Bodily harm is not killing

thompsonx -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 1:14:14 PM)
You would kill someone for breaking into your home? You would kill someone for stealing your things? Sounds like you better cancel your weekend plans From first hand experience I can tell you that it will fuck up more than your week end plans.

OsideGirl -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 1:15:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Not everything has a dollar limit. Trust me, if I could have gotten my hands on the person that stole the box containing my grandparents Christmas ornaments, wedding photos, quilt, etc....I would have done them bodily harm. Bodily harm is not killing Self defense isn't automatically killing or shooting, either. I keep a child's aluminum bat by the door, in case I need to defend myself.

Nosathro -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 1:18:46 PM)
Question should the use of deadly force by a civilian be equal that of a member of law enforcement?

thompsonx -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 1:21:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro Question should the use of deadly force by a civilian be equal that of a member of law enforcement? Dude: cops are civilians it is the law. And the sooner the punkassmothrfuckers realize it the better.

DsBound -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 1:29:12 PM)
Depends on the state...also it depends on if intent was to kill them.

DsBound -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 1:30:30 PM)
I would guess the majorities intent would be to stop them, not necessarily kill them.

DsBound -> RE: What are the limits to self defense. (9/27/2013 1:32:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro Question should the use of deadly force by a civilian be equal that of a member of law enforcement? In my opinion, it should be... they should be using the same restraint any civilian would use.

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