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use google I found it on a document in italian, but they are public statistics

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in the EU it's 1.4 so it's not 5 but 3.5 times anyway it's some times more

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I answer in a single post, criminals want money and organized crime secure its source of money by controlling the territory, three things make it easier for them: individualism of people that think they can defend by their own and don't care about others, easy access to guns and a low rate of uniformed police officers patrolling the streets, than social degrade is fertile ground for the growing of new criminals, as you said that kind of distorted values exist only in that subcultures but there must be a reason if people end to accept that rules.

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I suppose this are not the value accepted by the majority of people composing your society, it's just that some are exploiting the weakness of your individualism forming organized groups.

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I answer in a single post, criminals want money and organized crime secure its source of money by controlling the territory, three things make it easier for them: individualism of people that think they can defend by their own and don't care about others, easy access to guns and a low rate of uniformed police officers patrolling the streets, than social degrade is fertile ground for the growing of new criminals, as you said that kind of distorted values exist only in that subcultures but there must be a reason if people end to accept that rules.

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You have 256 police officers every 100000 persons and one police officer every 12 squared km, in Italy we have 417 police officers every 100000 persons and one police officer every 1.2 squared km, in another thread jlf1961 said in his area in average police needs 25 minutes to show up, we have a police station every 7 minutes drive also in rural areas. That's what I meant.

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I answer in a single post, criminals want money and organized crime secure its source of money by controlling the territory, three things make it easier for them: individualism of people that think they can defend by their own and don't care about others, easy access to guns and a low rate of uniformed police officers patrolling the streets, than social degrade is fertile ground for the growing of new criminals, as you said that kind of distorted values exist only in that subcultures but there must be a reason if people end to accept that rules.

Yet another misrepresentation, I know of know one who wants to take on the gangs without the police, but we want to be able to defend ourselves while we are waiting for them to show up.
And the assertion that people who want to defend themselves don't care about others is ridiculous.
But you are one of those who while you don't even realize it want us to hide in our homes while hearing our neighbor s being raped or murdered.

sorry "not caring" was not the right words, I made a mistake, what I meant was warring only when crimes happen instead caring how to prevent them for the safety of everyone else even people you don't know, guns can't do that period, if you have to defend yourself so much it means that society failed as a whole.

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When is the last time there was a thread on here about a self defense case where you said one word in defense of the man protecting himself or his family.
Now tell me again how nobody goes after the person who defends himself.

Because the cases that happens to be reported are always borderline in legal and moral terms! Otherwise there would be no reason to discuss them! If there was an article saying: "intuder gets killed in victim home/shop" I would say nothing against the home owner! But when it is about a moron that goes outside and shoots at every car passing by than no I'm not cool with that!

Another example of how you will believe a anti gun blog over a judge.

that judge applied a permissive law with the looser interpretation possible, the law was wrong and badly written.

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I answer in a single post, criminals want money and organized crime secure its source of money by controlling the territory, three things make it easier for them: individualism of people that think they can defend by their own and don't care about others, easy access to guns and a low rate of uniformed police officers patrolling the streets, than social degrade is fertile ground for the growing of new criminals, as you said that kind of distorted values exist only in that subcultures but there must be a reason if people end to accept that rules.

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HunterCA, for your information I'm not socialist, I'm liberal democratic. Your posts show so much ignorance that is impossible to talk to you.

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HunterCA, for your information I'm not socialist, I'm liberal democratic. Your posts show so much ignorance that is impossible to talk to you.

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Bama, when debating with post modern thinking people, such as socialists, keep in mind that its a made up philosophy that rejects all human historical learning. They pride themselves on "seeing the world differently". Then what usually happens when they force a new governance system in place, it will always fail because it never takes into consideration human nature. But, usually when the system fails the post modern implementor is miles down the road and no longer interested. How they wreck society is less interesting to them than inflicting control on society. Name me one post modern system that did what it intended?


So a post modern thinker like eulero can never really debate your point. They, like Saul Aylinski in this country taught leftists, can only use ridicule to prevail in an argument. Never give them ridicule. Eulero only can attack individualism by attributing it to the Wild West and never acknowledging who put a man on the moon.

The only way to argue with them is to go to their foundation which is always built on sand. In eulero's case, his group think lead to Mussolini and fascism. The European Union is collapsing and would have already had the US not poured hugh amounts into the World Bank. So what you do with people like eulero is ignore his little barbs and demand they stick to philosophy. They can't. And since this is a philosophical debate on the 2nd amendment, just ignore that they have nothing to say except ridicule.

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Bama, when debating with post modern thinking people, such as socialists, keep in mind that its a made up philosophy that rejects all human historical learning. They pride themselves on "seeing the world differently". Then what usually happens when they force a new governance system in place, it will always fail because it never takes into consideration human nature. But, usually when the system fails the post modern implementor is miles down the road and no longer interested. How they wreck society is less interesting to them than inflicting control on society. Name me one post modern system that did what it intended?


So a post modern thinker like eulero can never really debate your point. They, like Saul Aylinski in this country taught leftists, can only use ridicule to prevail in an argument. Never give them ridicule. Eulero only can attack individualism by attributing it to the Wild West and never acknowledging who put a man on the moon.

The only way to argue with them is to go to their foundation which is always built on sand. In eulero's case, his group think lead to Mussolini and fascism. The European Union is collapsing and would have already had the US not poured hugh amounts into the World Bank. So what you do with people like eulero is ignore his little barbs and demand they stick to philosophy. They can't. And since this is a philosophical debate on the 2nd amendment, just ignore that they have nothing to say except ridicule.

Not a thing there I disagree with but I do like to mess with them.
otherwise I might as well put all of Europe on hide.

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HunterCA, for your information I'm not socialist, I'm liberal democratic. Your posts show so much ignorance that is impossible to talk to you.

See, ridicule. My point exactly.


Eulero, as I write these things I'm interspersing my time between here and the rifle range on my porch. Today is the last day of deer season where I live and all weekend I've heard gunshots from all directions around me. That makes me feel safe. All of my neighbors are armed and free people. It's not something you'll understand.

If you want to debate the philosophy of being free compared to the philosophy of being a subject, then do so. But that's not what you do. It's not something you can do.

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Bama, when debating with post modern thinking people, such as socialists, keep in mind that its a made up philosophy that rejects all human historical learning. They pride themselves on "seeing the world differently". Then what usually happens when they force a new governance system in place, it will always fail because it never takes into consideration human nature. But, usually when the system fails the post modern implementor is miles down the road and no longer interested. How they wreck society is less interesting to them than inflicting control on society. Name me one post modern system that did what it intended?


So a post modern thinker like eulero can never really debate your point. They, like Saul Aylinski in this country taught leftists, can only use ridicule to prevail in an argument. Never give them ridicule. Eulero only can attack individualism by attributing it to the Wild West and never acknowledging who put a man on the moon.

The only way to argue with them is to go to their foundation which is always built on sand. In eulero's case, his group think lead to Mussolini and fascism. The European Union is collapsing and would have already had the US not poured hugh amounts into the World Bank. So what you do with people like eulero is ignore his little barbs and demand they stick to philosophy. They can't. And since this is a philosophical debate on the 2nd amendment, just ignore that they have nothing to say except ridicule.

Not a thing there I disagree with but I do like to mess with them.
otherwise I might as well put all of Europe on hide.

Lol, I grant you that. Of course, it'll make eulero's inferiority complex twitch.

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HunterCA, for your information I'm not socialist, I'm liberal democratic. Your posts show so much ignorance that is impossible to talk to you.