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Dude, when was the last time a major medical discovery was made in Italy? When was the last time Italy sent a man to the moon? When was the last time Italy moved the art world, the business world, or the information world? It doesn't because when you are subject to group think you can't see outside your group.

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When the Iron Curtain fell people in East Germany lost will and yearned to be placed back under a Stalinistic yoke.

The fact that they were a conquored nation had nothing to do with this???[8|]


For decades they didnt do well and became a burdon on Europe.

According to the history books e. germany was one of the ten largest economies in europe after the wall was built.
I have heard that google is some place that the ignorant can go to disabuse themselves for a while[;)]

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Bama, when debating with post modern thinking people, such as socialists, keep in mind that its a made up philosophy that rejects all human historical learning. They pride themselves on "seeing the world differently". Then what usually happens when they force a new governance system in place, it will always fail because it never takes into consideration human nature. But, usually when the system fails the post modern implementor is miles down the road and no longer interested. How they wreck society is less interesting to them than inflicting control on society. Name me one post modern system that did what it intended?

Define what the fuck you mean by "post modern system"


Eulero only can attack individualism by attributing it to the Wild West and never acknowledging who put a man on the moon.

Were they the same ones who put the first satellite into outer space?

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Then there was World War II, in which a lot of mass killing occurred in Central Europe. During the Cold War, there were a number of people shot trying to escape from behind the Iron Curtain, not to mention the atrocities committed by the regimes involved.

But since those were killings perpetrated by governments, I guess those are considered "good killings" in the eyes of Europeans, since governments can do no wrong.

I stopped answering because HunterCA is just writing random sentences that have only rhetorical value, but I want to make a point about this.
After WWII European culture changed a lot, for an example italian republic's costitution is dated 1946, and it's wrote so that our governament will never perpetrate such killings for example our governament can't declare war first, just defend if directly attacked or help an allied. About what happened on the other side of the iron curtain we were on the same side as you of that wall and I don't know where you heard that were good killings for europeans.

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I answer in a single post, criminals want money and organized crime secure its source of money by controlling the territory, three things make it easier for them: individualism of people that think they can defend by their own and don't care about others, easy access to guns and a low rate of uniformed police officers patrolling the streets, than social degrade is fertile ground for the growing of new criminals, as you said that kind of distorted values exist only in that subcultures but there must be a reason if people end to accept that rules.

Eulero, your subjugation by the state is so intense you fear individualism. You fear not having a controlling nanny state. And because you fear you lash out at what makes you afraid. We saw the same thing when the individualistic US Army liberated all of Europe and especially the European Concentration Camps during WWII. I think they call it the Stockholm Syndrome now. You can't see what your owners have done to you so you're really not worth debating.

HunterCA well you have shown yourself to be wrong, first off the US Army did not liberated ALL of Europe, They got as far as Austria, the British and Russian liberated a lot of Concentration of Camps as well. As to the Stockholm Syndrome it was actually called "Norrmalmstorgssyndromet" by the criminologist and psychiatrist Nils Bejerot. It become known as the Stockholm Syndrome after an attempted bank robbery in Stockholm in 1973. The FBI has reported that is may effect some 27% of those taken hostage. Now as to Italy chew on this.

On September 25, 2001, US Congress passed a resolution that officially recognized the Florentine immigrant to the United States, Antonio Meucci, as the inventor of the telephone.

Giulio Natta, Nobel prize for the polymerization of plastics.

Guglielmo Marconi, who received the Nobel Prize in Physics for the invention of radio.

Wow, I am so pleased you find me wrong. I can stop worrying now. It shows I'm on the side to truth, justice and the American way. Oh, and Patton was forced to stop and allow the Soviets to take Berlin. But, the Soviets didnt liberate Europe. They just changed one socialist dictator for another. It took until Reagan to finally bring the evil empire down. And, that was with US troops on the wall all of the time.

You are missed informed. Patton was not forced to stop and allow the Soviets to take Berlin. His line of March was far to south of Berlin. General Eisenhower lost interest in the race to Berlin and made no plans for Berlin. Romania at the time of World War 2 was a Constitutional Monarchy, under King Carol II. Poland was a military dictatorship, Czechoslovakia was a democratic elected government, sorry no socialist dictators as you claim. And as to the fall of the Berlin Wall, no US troops were involved, just unarmed civilians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM2qq5J5A1s

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You just love to take cheap shots to misrepresent me don't you?

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50% in 20 years is not a slow drop.

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We wrote it for you.

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But, since those laws were introduced, gun related deaths just plummeted through the floor and never rose again.

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They were already in the basement.

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You made the statement, not me.
In fact, you gloated over it, and more than once I might add.


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A totally inaccurate piece of fiction a stupid accusation as I have repeatedly pointed out.

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You made the statement, not me.
In fact, you gloated over it, and more than once I might add.


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A totally inaccurate piece of fiction a stupid accusation as I have repeatedly pointed out.

You have, in more than one post, across several threads, liked to tell me (and others) that the US won the wars and (implied) that we couldn't have done it without the US intervention.
Or is your memory that bad that you can't remember?

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Eulero, I was once engaged to a woman who when I met her was teaching philosophy at Harvard.

Yeah right...you do realize that it is possible to discover exactly how many women have taught philosophy at harvard[;)]

She was deeply inculcated in post modern philosophy. One day we were flying from Dubai to Singapore. When we landed I said the old pilots adage, "It's always nice to have as many landings as takeoffs.

I don't quite know how to break this to you but it is physically impossible to not have as many landing as takeoffs.

She, being a good post modern thinker, said, "that's not true I bet I can think of five different ways."

Perhaps you could validate for us somehow that this is a tennent of "post modern thinking"[8|]


I told her to go ahead. To which she came up with five different alternatives that would have killed everyone on board the plane. But, she was happy that she thought up five alternate worlds.


Perhaps you might share with us what your g/f thought were the five alternatives better than having as many landings as takeoffs?

And since she was my women I kissed her on the forehead and told her how smart she was.

Yeah I know profesional whores never kiss on the lips.

She was a smart girl, she spoke 36 languages.

Which language did she speak to you in?


The last time I debate with a guy with a Phd in post modern philosophy I, as an engineer, stated I preferred my modernistic thinking because basically when I built a water treatment plant when it was done I had to flip a switch and either it worked or it did not.


One would think that the water treatment plant would fail to work only if it had been built by a someone who only thought they were an engineer.


He said, "that's not true, I'll bet I can think of a different alternative." I told him to have at it, come up with an alternative. He did, he said, "You could flip the water treatment plant switch and get muddy water."

And that's how a socialist thinks. We need to make society conform to the existence of planes crashing and killing people and drinking muddy water so government can show how smart it is imposing new systems on the masses.

Actually that seems more like some moron making shit up.

After a time the masses acclimate to muddy water and extol the virtue of the group drinking muddy water.

Are you talking about albuquerque? That was whitman wasn't it? I thought she was a republicrat not a commie?

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Help me if I'm wrong. I haven't checked this in years. But I do remember that violent crime was going down in Australia for a couple of decades until they enacted strict gun laws then they started to go up again. Largely rape and violent mugging since it was no longer expected that anyone would be able to defend themselves. I know violent crime increased for at least three years after confiscating all the guns and then I stopped checking.

I believe the same sort of thing happened in Britain.

And as I predicted, someone comes up with non-gun crimes in a gun thread.  [:D]