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freedomdwarf1 -> RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment *** (11/5/2013 5:32:05 AM)
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For once, a sensible reply.
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ORIGINAL: Zonie63
I live in the USA, and I don't really fear what you're saying all that much, at least not any more than I would fear an auto accident or an earthquake. These things do happen and death can occur from many causes.
I lived in the US for a bit (NC and FL) and I can honestly say it's the only place I've been in the world where I didn't feel safe.
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ORIGINAL: Zonie63
I don't actually believe that these individuals think they have the right to kill and terrorize people on a regular basis. In these mass-shooting situations, they invariably end with the killer being dead or captured (although they likely wanted to die), and since they're unable to repeat their crime, they can't do it on a "regular basis." I don't actually fear them, since they're the ones who are in pain and full of fear. The main reason they lash out is because they feel powerless, and they're trying to compensate somehow.
You are probably right.
However, there always seems to be many more, all over the country, that seem to enable yet another mass killing somewhere.
We don't see that here or in Australia where there are strict gun laws.
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ORIGINAL: Zonie63
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Although eulero may live in a rabbit warren, when was the last time Italy had mass killings by people who shouldn't have access to guns?
To be honest, I thought HunterCA was out of line by taking cheap shots against Italy. Just because Eulero is from there doesn't mean that he's a representative for the whole country.
I quite agree.
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ORIGINAL: Zonie63
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In fact, when was the last mass killing anywhere in central Europe by similar people?
Well, there was that mass shooting in Norway a few years ago, although you may not consider that to be part of Central Europe.
It isn't.
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ORIGINAL: Zonie63
Then there was World War II, in which a lot of mass killing occurred in Central Europe. During the Cold War, there were a number of people shot trying to escape from behind the Iron Curtain, not to mention the atrocities committed by the regimes involved.
But since those were killings perpetrated by governments, I guess those are considered "good killings" in the eyes of Europeans, since governments can do no wrong. Only individuals from the lower classes are to be singled out for scorn and disdain, whereas governments (and others at that level, such as mafiosi) who do the same thing should be given a pass. That's what this whole debate seems to come down to, in a nutshell.
If you follow Bama's opinion, the US soldiers won WWII.
But, true, government killings appear to be acceptable for most people, unfortunately.
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ORIGINAL: Zonie63
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We see this almost daily in the US.
I sometimes wonder how much of this is played up by the national media. The stats show that the murder rate has been decreasing in the United States since the early 1990s.
Whilst the rates are slowly reducing, it's still a long way above anywhere else in the world by several orders of magnitude.
We aren't talking about other causes of death (which others tend to interject with); just gun-related deaths.
In something I read recently, you are 668x more likely to die of a gun death in the US than in the UK.
And we have strict gun controls here.
So as much as many in the US (and on here) want their guns, the figures are startling.
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ORIGINAL: Zonie63
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So before anyone jumps on their soap-box about responsible gun owners, it is clear from anyone outside of the US that there are waaay too many that are irresponsible.
Yeah, although it's not something that I personally worry about all that much. While I agree with liberals on a variety of issues, I think that they're wasting a lot of valuable political capital on banning guns when they should be using their time and energy towards more important issues.
Quite true. I actually agree.
Although if you look at our past, in the 20's when our gun controls were introduced, we also had something in our constitution that should have been debated and arguably had a referendum on it, theyt just simply swept it aside and enacted the gun control laws.
So it doesn't always take a lot of debate.
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