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if Joe Methhead is thinking about climbing into a window at night, he has to give a little bit of thought to: "I wonder if this person might have a gun. I wonder if they have it, concealed. I wonder if it is close to their night stand". Those kinds of things.

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You're not alone in having had the experience, and I'm personally convinced that the "non threatening and cooperative" approach is, on balance, the most likely to get you out a live.

For the benefit of others, I said "on balance" and "most likely".

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I had assumed that the point of c/c was that if someone showed you a gun, you cloud then reveal your weapon and show yours, now you seem to be suggesting that that would be fruitless?

And then what? Compare how big they are? Heh. If someone has a gun pointed at me, what I will do is going to depend very much on the circumstances. How I size him up. Distance. Cover. What options I have, if any. Trust me, I've been there. If none, then I'm going to be totally non-threatening and cooperative until either he gives me an opening or I can create one. Which may not happen, if he's very careful. But I still have the advantage that he doesn't know I'm armed. And if he isn't smart enough to make finding out his first order of business, he's probably more at risk than I am. Because if he hasn't already shot me, he probably doesn't want to. But I will definitely shoot him.

K.

There's another "angle" to that in that; if the gun laws are lax, the statistics say that more people are going to have weapons. This has to give any idiot law breaker a little bit of pause.

I admit that concealed carry has very little deterrent qualities against shooters like the kids at Columbine or the movie theater, etc. but, if Joe Methhead is thinking about climbing into a window at night, he has to give a little bit of thought to: "I wonder if this person might have a gun. I wonder if they have it, concealed. I wonder if it is close to their night stand". Those kinds of things.

In an unarmed society, all he has to do is grab a piece of wood or rebar on his way to the evening "festivities" and he has a really good chance of being better armed than the sheep upon which he preys.

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if Joe Methhead is thinking about climbing into a window at night, he has to give a little bit of thought to: "I wonder if this person might have a gun. I wonder if they have it, concealed. I wonder if it is close to their night stand". Those kinds of things.

Do you really think that Joe is going to be carefully considering the consequences of his actions?

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I had assumed that the point of c/c was that if someone showed you a gun, you cloud then reveal your weapon and show yours, now you seem to be suggesting that that would be fruitless?

And then what? Compare how big they are? Heh. If someone has a gun pointed at me, what I will do is going to depend very much on the circumstances. How I size him up. Distance. Cover. What options I have, if any. Trust me, I've been there. If none, then I'm going to be totally non-threatening and cooperative until either he gives me an opening or I can create one. Which may not happen, if he's very careful. But I still have the advantage that he doesn't know I'm armed. And if he isn't smart enough to make finding out his first order of business, he's probably more at risk than I am. Because if he hasn't already shot me, he probably doesn't want to. But I will definitely shoot him.

K.

There's another "angle" to that in that; if the gun laws are lax, the statistics say that more people are going to have weapons. This has to give any idiot law breaker a little bit of pause.

I admit that concealed carry has very little deterrent qualities against shooters like the kids at Columbine or the movie theater, etc. but, if Joe Methhead is thinking about climbing into a window at night, he has to give a little bit of thought to: "I wonder if this person might have a gun. I wonder if they have it, concealed. I wonder if it is close to their night stand". Those kinds of things.

In an unarmed society, all he has to do is grab a piece of wood or rebar on his way to the evening "festivities" and he has a really good chance of being better armed than the sheep upon which he preys.

Joe Methhead is an ignorant shit who is probably not even aware of the "concealed carry" law. You are assuming that Joe Methhead, when he is not breaking into houses, is an upstanding citizen who reads the papers and participates actively in public debates over the passage of city ordinances. Be fucking realistic here.

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You know HunterCA I keep wondering why you use terms like

Postmodernism is a term that describes the postmodernist movement in the arts, its set of cultural tendencies and associated cultural movements. It is in general the era that follows Modernism. It frequently serves as an ambiguous overarching term for skeptical interpretations of culture, literature, art, philosophy, economics, architecture, fiction, and literary criticism. Which has nothing to do with politics.

The word "Capitalism" was coined around 1850. Marxism was started about 8 years later.

I get the feeling you just trying to impress us, not working very well is it.

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Nosathro, tell me you don't believe me if you wish. But don't go study for two hours and come back and claim you are sufficiently studied up to be an expert.

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Nosathro, tell me you don't believe me if you wish. But don't go study for two hours and come back and claim you are sufficiently studied up to be an expert.

Interesting that you rather then explain you use personal attacks. But I am not surprised by it.

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Nosathro, tell me you don't believe me if you wish. But don't go study for two hours and come back and claim you are sufficiently studied up to be an expert.

Interesting that you rather then explain you use personal attacks. But I am not surprised by it.

Here you go. But you won't like it. http://www.peterberkowitz.com/sciencefiction.html

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Nosathro, tell me you don't believe me if you wish. But don't go study for two hours and come back and claim you are sufficiently studied up to be an expert.

Interesting that you rather then explain you use personal attacks. But I am not surprised by it.

Here you go. But you won't like it. http://www.peterberkowitz.com/sciencefiction.html

Oh, the citation is to an article written by an associate professor of government at Harvard in 1996.

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Nosathro, tell me you don't believe me if you wish. But don't go study for two hours and come back and claim you are sufficiently studied up to be an expert.

Interesting that you rather then explain you use personal attacks. But I am not surprised by it.

Here you go. But you won't like it. http://www.peterberkowitz.com/sciencefiction.html

Oh, the citation is to an article written by an associate professor of government at Harvard in 1996.

Again, you won't like it. An article publish by the Hoover institute roughly discussing British, French and American enlightenment http://www.hoover.org/publications/policy-review/article/6302

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The simplest way to avoid a robbery in the first place, though, is simply don't look like a victim. I maintain a bolt-upright posture that I consciously model after US Marines: I never slouch when I walk, no exceptions. I make eye-contact with everybody... if you LOOK like a victim, then chances are that you will BECOME a victim.

That sounds good, but it only works because there are Marines, and RTC laws, which leave the criminals not knowing whether you might be armed. If they knew you were just another sheep-herder pretending to be something else, they'd laugh and rip your ass off. Plus, while I agree with the general philosophy of not attracting trouble by looking like a victim, there really isn't any nice pat "recipe" for avoiding crime. In some neighborhoods, the last thing you want to do is "make eye-contact with everybody." The best plan I know is to be aware of your surroundings, and most importantly which ones to avoid.

K.

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There was a rash of studies back in the late 1990's, a lot of which was published in journals of economics and other weird places, that seemed to support RTC laws, but more recent analysis of that data demonstrates that RTC laws don't have any such effect.