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HunterCA -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (11/15/2013 12:51:15 PM)
Hum, apparently Cuba, with dictatorial control of guns has a higher homicide rate than the US. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/347263/dishonest-gun-control-debate

BamaD -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (11/15/2013 1:02:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Hum, apparently Cuba, with dictatorial control of guns has a higher homicide rate than the US. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/347263/dishonest-gun-control-debate Not counting th people the government kills of course.

mnottertail -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (11/15/2013 1:05:55 PM)
Yeah, I aint gonna believe shit from a fuckin rag whose boss' only reason for being anything is that he was fuckin William F Buckleys sister. He is about the level of Breitbart, he has authored and ran some real stupid dogshit. Bozell, not Buckley.

Nosathro -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (11/15/2013 1:11:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Hum, apparently Cuba, with dictatorial control of guns has a higher homicide rate than the US. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/347263/dishonest-gun-control-debate Really total number of homicides by guns in the US 9,960, Cuba 104 homicides by guns. Where do you get your information, oh that is right, pro gun alter right wing nuts. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/gun-homicides-ownership/table/

BamaD -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (11/15/2013 1:13:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Hum, apparently Cuba, with dictatorial control of guns has a higher homicide rate than the US. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/347263/dishonest-gun-control-debate Really total number of homicides by guns in the US 9,960, Cuba 104 homicides by guns. Where do you get your information, oh that is right, pro gun alter right wing nuts. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/gun-homicides-ownership/table/ He didn't say gun homicides, you may be unaware of this but you just as dead if it's a knife as you are if it's a gun.

HunterCA -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (11/15/2013 1:14:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Hum, apparently Cuba, with dictatorial control of guns has a higher homicide rate than the US. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/347263/dishonest-gun-control-debate Really total number of homicides by guns in the US 9,960, Cuba 104 homicides by guns. Where do you get your information, oh that is right, pro gun alter right wing nuts. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/gun-homicides-ownership/table/ He didn't say gun homicides, you may be unaware of this but you just as dead if it's a knife as you are if it's a gun. I think a 1950's tire iron would do the trick as well.

HunterCA -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (11/15/2013 1:17:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Yeah, I aint gonna believe shit from a fuckin rag whose boss' only reason for being anything is that he was fuckin William F Buckleys sister. He is about the level of Breitbart, he has authored and ran some real stupid dogshit. Bozell, not Buckley. Hum, and yet Breitbart's people just exposed some more Obamacare scam and people were actually fired. The problem with jesters is that they use facts, debates and sources that fit preconceived outcomes. Dance little jester.

Nosathro -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (11/15/2013 1:19:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Hum, apparently Cuba, with dictatorial control of guns has a higher homicide rate than the US. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/347263/dishonest-gun-control-debate Really total number of homicides by guns in the US 9,960, Cuba 104 homicides by guns. Where do you get your information, oh that is right, pro gun alter right wing nuts. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/gun-homicides-ownership/table/ He didn't say gun homicides, you may be unaware of this but you just as dead if it's a knife as you are if it's a gun. Oh really? "Hum, apparently Cuba, with dictatorial control of guns has a higher homicide rate than the US. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/347263/dishonest-gun-control-debate " So now who is caught in lie?

mnottertail -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (11/15/2013 1:19:44 PM)
Yeah, Breitbart fired fuckheads. I will alert the right wing media. You never have had dominion in debate, have you? You see, an argument is a CREDIBLE (or minimally, plausible) reason to BELIEVE. Working along those lines, you can see how inept the shit is, right?

HunterCA -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (11/15/2013 1:21:59 PM)
I think what the article pointed out is the FBI calls it a gun homicide when 1/3 were accidents and 1/3 were suicide. I wonder how Scotland Yard categorizes things? Are our British friends arguing their murder rate compared to our murder/suicide/accident rate?

HunterCA -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (11/15/2013 1:23:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Yeah, Breitbart fired fuckheads. I will alert the right wing media. You never have had dominion in debate, have you? You see, an argument is a CREDIBLE (or minimally, plausible) reason to BELIEVE. Working along those lines, you can see how inept the shit is, right? It's so fun to make you dance. You don't even realize that's happening do you?

mnottertail -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (11/15/2013 1:28:38 PM)
I aint dancing I am skating in dog vomit here. And laughing at clowns. Tis the season.

mnottertail -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (11/15/2013 1:31:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA I think what the article pointed out is the FBI calls it a gun homicide when 1/3 were accidents and 1/3 were suicide. I wonder how Scotland Yard categorizes things? Are our British friends arguing their murder rate compared to our murder/suicide/accident rate? here is a hint, they dont have ready guns there, so probably less that 1/3 way less than 1/3 is gun accident death. Near zero one would think, if they could think. We've had the stats many times before and theres are impeccable and more stringent than ours.

bkett -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (11/15/2013 2:14:46 PM)
damn are we really having a second amendment debate on fuckin collar me?

HunterCA -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (11/15/2013 2:31:01 PM)
Yes, and sometimes it even stays on topic.

BamaD -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (11/15/2013 2:49:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Yes, and sometimes it even stays on topic. I missed where you said all their murders were by firearm. You were demonstrating the gun control simply makes the victims defenseless weren't you?

HunterCA -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (11/15/2013 2:58:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Yes, and sometimes it even stays on topic. I missed where you said all their murders were by firearm. You were demonstrating the gun control simply makes the victims defenseless weren't you? I think you're referencing my opining that our FBI counts all gun deaths as homicides although a third are accidents and a third are suicides. Then I wondered if Scotland Yard kept track the same way or only counted gun deaths by murder as homicides. It would make a difference in discussions with the Brits because they quote our homicide rates compared to theirs. They may be comparing our murder/suicide/accident rate to their murder rate. Bama, the major reason I carry concealed is that I philosophically believe the more honest citizens who carry concealed the fewer women raped and the fewer people assaulted or violently attacked. I believe that gun control puts citizens at risk and in servitude to the government...which is offensive to me. Every person should be able to look anyone else in the eye on equal terms.

HunterCA -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (11/15/2013 3:10:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Hum, apparently Cuba, with dictatorial control of guns has a higher homicide rate than the US. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/347263/dishonest-gun-control-debate Really total number of homicides by guns in the US 9,960, Cuba 104 homicides by guns. Where do you get your information, oh that is right, pro gun alter right wing nuts. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/gun-homicides-ownership/table/ He didn't say gun homicides, you may be unaware of this but you just as dead if it's a knife as you are if it's a gun. Oh really? "Hum, apparently Cuba, with dictatorial control of guns has a higher homicide rate than the US. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/347263/dishonest-gun-control-debate " So now who is caught in lie? Jees, are you finally admitting that you lie a lot here?

mnottertail -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (11/15/2013 3:28:06 PM)
quote: I think you're referencing my opining that our FBI counts all gun deaths as homicides So, really farsical and fantastical opining there, sorta like pounding the old pud, and not at all like credible citation and argument (because there is no reason to belive) but a reason to deride mendacity. if we take say, 12 milliseconds to google the motherfucker, we are deposited right there at the FBI, and they say: The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program defines murder and nonnegligent manslaughter as the willful (nonnegligent) killing of one human being by another. The classification of this offense is based solely on police investigation as opposed to the determination of a court, medical examiner, coroner, jury, or other judicial body. The UCR Program does not include the following situations in this offense classification: deaths caused by negligence, suicide, or accident; justifiable homicides; and attempts to murder or assaults to murder, which are scored as aggravated assaults. yadda yadda yadda and even justifiable homicide are split out seperately on the tables. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/violent-crime/murdermain Not even hapless hooverisms there.

HunterCA -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (11/15/2013 3:32:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: I think you're referencing my opining that our FBI counts all gun deaths as homicides So, really farsical and fantastical opining there, sorta like pounding the old pud, and not at all like credible citation and argument (because there is no reason to belive) but a reason to deride mendacity. if we take say, 12 milliseconds to google the motherfucker, we are deposited right there at the FBI, and they say: The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program defines murder and nonnegligent manslaughter as the willful (nonnegligent) killing of one human being by another. The classification of this offense is based solely on police investigation as opposed to the determination of a court, medical examiner, coroner, jury, or other judicial body. The UCR Program does not include the following situations in this offense classification: deaths caused by negligence, suicide, or accident; justifiable homicides; and attempts to murder or assaults to murder, which are scored as aggravated assaults. yadda yadda yadda and even justifiable homicide are split out seperately on the tables. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/violent-crime/murdermain Not even hapless hooverisms there. Jester, shriveled dick maggots should read context. Yadda yadda yadda. Dance jester.

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