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More climate change news - 9/27/2013 2:40:13 PM   
deathtothepixies


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but I guess some will keep denying
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RE: More climate change news - 9/27/2013 2:48:48 PM   
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They can't get it right for the last 16 years, so we're expected to believe them when it comes to sea levels in 2100?

suuuure. As the science gets weaker the shrill cries of desperation get stronger. Pay no attention that the weather is the same. Believe us or we will drown. The sky will fall!

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RE: More climate change news - 9/27/2013 2:51:25 PM   
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http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/sep/27/ipcc-world-dangerous-climate-change

but I guess some will keep denying



This calculation of the world's "carbon budget" was one of the most striking findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC),

Oh hell! The western nations can hardly handle budgeting at all, let alone establish one. We haven't had a budget in years Why should a panel be any better?

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RE: More climate change news - 9/27/2013 2:56:57 PM   
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LOL.. You guessed right.

They can't get it right for the last 16 years, so we're expected to believe them when it comes to sea levels in 2100?

suuuure. As the science gets weaker the shrill cries of desperation get stronger. Pay no attention that the weather is the same. Believe us or we will drown. The sky will fall!

you carry on burying your head in the sand then at least you'll be one of the first to go and the rest of us can have a logical science based discussion.

There are going to be mistakes made, it's a fairly new and very complicated science but you can't just sit there and pretend nothing is happening. Do you give a shit about future generations?

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RE: More climate change news - 9/27/2013 3:11:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		John Kerry, the US secretary of state, said in a statement: "This is yet another wakeup call: those who deny the science or choose excuses over action are playing with fire."

"Once again, the science grows clearer, the case grows more compelling, and the costs of inaction grow beyond anything that anyone with conscience or commonsense should be willing to even contemplate," he added.

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RE: More climate change news - 9/27/2013 3:46:56 PM   
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"Once again, the science grows clearer, the case grows more compelling..."

Scientists are struggling to explain a slowdown in climate change that has exposed gaps in their understanding and defies a rise in global greenhouse gas emissions. ~Reuters

K.

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RE: More climate change news - 9/27/2013 4:03:18 PM   
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"Once again, the science grows clearer, the case grows more compelling..."

Scientists are struggling to explain a slowdown in climate change that has exposed gaps in their understanding and defies a rise in global greenhouse gas emissions. ~Reuters

K.

Not actually.
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/08/global-warming-slowdown-ipcc
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2013/04/08/3731989.htm
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/03/25/1768601/in-hot-water-global-warming-has-accelerated-in-past-15-years-new-study-of-oceans-confirms/

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RE: More climate change news - 9/28/2013 3:48:31 PM   
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Not actually.

This history of this debate seems to lurch from one explanation after another of why the warmists were right (global warming is occurring at a dangerous rate) even when they were wrong (their "scare" predictions failed to manifest), and the present case seems to me to be more of the same.




The argument being offered is that the recent decade long pause in the rise of global surface temperatures is "explained" by the rise in the amount of heat being sinked by the deep ocean.

However, it can been seen from the chart above that the amount of heat being sinked by the deep ocean also rose precipitously for almost a decade between 1983 and 1992, during which period global surface temperatures surged. Now we are told that a similar decade long rise in the amount of heat being sinked by the deep ocean between 2000 and 2010 "explains" why global surface temperatures haven't risen. I don't think so.

And that's without even calling attention to the fact that the data displayed on the chart above isn't even deep ocean temperatures anyway. ORAS4 is a model simulation.

K.



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RE: More climate change news - 9/28/2013 3:55:53 PM   
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RE: More climate change news - 9/28/2013 4:09:59 PM   
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RE: More climate change news - 9/28/2013 4:29:42 PM   
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So all the data and all the models are wrong? Where is the contrary data?



No, they just are not right.

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RE: More climate change news - 9/28/2013 4:54:14 PM   
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So all the data and all the models are wrong? Where is the contrary data?

No, they just are not right.


So stated by the person that does not hold an accredited degree in any real science at a B.S., M.S. or Ph.D. level. Nor has actually spent a considerable amount of time understanding what constitutes 'legitimate' work and falsified information. An individual who feels the whole of this concept is a 'Democratic Push' or some sort of conspiracy driven attack to undermine said person's mystical freedoms. And that this same individual on previous threads has been destroyed by counter argument and counter evidence that show their position was no where near 'stable' or 'factual'. Bottom line, this person has no credibility and can be....IGNORED.

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RE: More climate change news - 9/28/2013 4:57:09 PM   
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24282150

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RE: More climate change news - 9/28/2013 4:59:37 PM   
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So all the data and all the models are wrong? Where is the contrary data?

No, they just are not right.


So stated by the person that does not hold an accredited degree in any real science at a B.S., M.S. or Ph.D. level. Nor has actually spent a considerable amount of time understanding what constitutes 'legitimate' work and falsified information. An individual who feels the whole of this concept is a 'Democratic Push' or some sort of conspiracy driven attack to undermine said person's mystical freedoms. And that this same individual on previous threads has been destroyed by counter argument and counter evidence that show their position was no where near 'stable' or 'factual'. Bottom line, this person has no credibility and can be....IGNORED.



Your appeal to credentialism is noted. I also note that I am the subject of your keyboard spittle.

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RE: More climate change news - 9/28/2013 5:00:08 PM   
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So all the data and all the models are wrong? Where is the contrary data?



No, they just are not right.

Where is the data that supports that claim?

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RE: More climate change news - 9/28/2013 5:09:50 PM   
Yachtie


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So all the data and all the models are wrong? Where is the contrary data?



No, they just are not right.

Where is the data that supports that claim?



I believe it's all over the threads here. We've discussed it a lot. I'm just not interested enough to waste my time looking.

The implication of saying "So all the data and all the models are wrong?" is that if they are not wrong they MUST be right. In the case here that is not so, as there is enough to throw AGW into question. This also does not support the idea that there is no climate change. That is observably false. What is not observably true is that man is 95% sure the culprit.

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RE: More climate change news - 9/28/2013 5:16:08 PM   
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So all the data and all the models are wrong? Where is the contrary data?



No, they just are not right.

Where is the data that supports that claim?



I believe it's all over the threads here. We've discussed it a lot. I'm just not interested enough to waste my time looking.

The implication of saying "So all the data and all the models are wrong?" is that if they are not wrong they MUST be right. In the case here that is not so, as there is enough to throw AGW into question. This also does not support the idea that there is no climate change. That is observably false. What is not observably true is that man is 95% sure the culprit.

Specifically what data says the deep Pacific is not sinking heat right now while a cyclic Pacific current has brought cooler water to the surface in the tropics acting as a mitigating factor on world wide climate?

To contradict the data that supports that hypothesis contrary data must be presented and none exists.

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RE: More climate change news - 9/28/2013 7:04:54 PM   
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So all the data and all the models are wrong? Where is the contrary data?

No, they just are not right.



Well, if its credentialism you really care about joether - I have two degrees in the area, and have worked in air pollution control for more than 30 years. Doesn't seem to matter much.

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RE: More climate change news - 9/28/2013 7:09:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

So all the data and all the models are wrong? Where is the contrary data?



No, they just are not right.

Where is the data that supports that claim?



I believe it's all over the threads here. We've discussed it a lot. I'm just not interested enough to waste my time looking.

The implication of saying "So all the data and all the models are wrong?" is that if they are not wrong they MUST be right. In the case here that is not so, as there is enough to throw AGW into question. This also does not support the idea that there is no climate change. That is observably false. What is not observably true is that man is 95% sure the culprit.

Specifically what data says the deep Pacific is not sinking heat right now while a cyclic Pacific current has brought cooler water to the surface in the tropics acting as a mitigating factor on world wide climate?

To contradict the data that supports that hypothesis contrary data must be presented and none exists.





Nonsense. The ipcc advanced a model of climate warming that said "green house gases are the cause and if so we continue temperatures will be y."

The burden of proof is not on deniers to prove an alternate theory.

Its on alarmists to prove

a). Its occuring (First fail).
b). They know why its occuring (Second fail).
c). They know how to model it. Third fail.

They can't explain the 17 year hiatus. They can't explain why temperatures are stuck at 1.2, they can't expain the graph Ive posted here time and time again showing the same temperature ranges have been present time and time and time again.

Sooooo.... where is this so called science?

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RE: More climate change news - 9/28/2013 7:11:46 PM   
Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

"Once again, the science grows clearer, the case grows more compelling..."

Scientists are struggling to explain a slowdown in climate change that has exposed gaps in their understanding and defies a rise in global greenhouse gas emissions. ~Reuters

K.

Not actually.
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/08/global-warming-slowdown-ipcc
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2013/04/08/3731989.htm
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/03/25/1768601/in-hot-water-global-warming-has-accelerated-in-past-15-years-new-study-of-oceans-confirms/



Snicker. Mother Jones. abc. & thinkprogress.org . Three far left organizations without a shred of credibility. Got any reputable sources, cuz otherwize I'd say you just strengthened kirata's point. Do you actually *believe* that claptrap?

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