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Feminist Sex - 9/30/2013 12:02:05 PM   
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I would like to start a discussion centering around feminist and postfeminist ideals with regards to women's sexuality. If feminist logic advocates equality for women in the workplace, what does this mean for women in the bedroom?
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RE: Feminist Sex - 9/30/2013 12:20:09 PM   
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It depends on which feminist school of thought you are going to go with. Everything from "all sex is rape" to "let it all hang out."

Care to get a bit more specific?

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RE: Feminist Sex - 9/30/2013 12:25:44 PM   
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I thought more threads about feminism isn't allowed?

Every time I make a thread about feminism, it gets deleted. Even though it's a totally different topic (on feminism) to the last.

For example, the last thread I made that got deleted was about how faulty the feminist theory is on patriarchy. NO OTHER THREAD exist on that particular matter, but just because feminism is involved with the topic, it was used as a cheap excuse to get rid of it.

But let's just forget ALL the threads about Obama, rebulicans, gun laws etc etc etc. There are a billion threads based on them topics or people but in different subtopics. That is magically allowed.



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RE: Feminist Sex - 9/30/2013 12:27:50 PM   
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Contemporary feminism seems to be about liberating women's sexuality while trying to regiment men's.


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RE: Feminist Sex - 9/30/2013 1:00:26 PM   
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quote:

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I thought more threads about feminism isn't allowed?

Every time I make a thread about feminism, it gets deleted. Even though it's a totally different topic (on feminism) to the last.

For example, the last thread I made that got deleted was about how faulty the feminist theory is on patriarchy. NO OTHER THREAD exist on that particular matter, but just because feminism is involved with the topic, it was used as a cheap excuse to get rid of it.


No, you had one thread deleted and it was deleted because it violated the guidelines of the forum listed here:

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Violates http://www.collarchat.com/m_4178251/tm.htm

Threads started with a link to an article, or the introductory paragraph to an article, and no question, comment, opinion or anything of the sort will be removed without any further notice.

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RE: Feminist Sex - 9/30/2013 1:05:55 PM   
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quote:

Threads started with a link to an article, or the introductory paragraph to an article, and no question, comment, opinion or anything of the sort will be removed without any further notice.


So you are saying that with the link I provided, I didn't say anything at all about it in the OP?

That is a lie. Every thread I make, I share my say about the link provided.




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RE: Feminist Sex - 9/30/2013 1:09:08 PM   
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This discussion will end with this post, so that this thread does not get derailed by your argument.

I've reinstated the post in question and locked it. Unless it's written in an invisible font, you'll notice there are no comments, just the link.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4554313/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#4554313


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RE: Feminist Sex - 9/30/2013 2:03:31 PM   
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OK, so

Back to the original post.

Vuilste,

I suppose for clarifications sake, what is your viewpoint on choice in regards to feminism? Should a woman be able to be a feminist and choose to be unequal in the bedroom? How about the workplace?

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RE: Feminist Sex - 9/30/2013 2:07:39 PM   
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Look deep into your heart Nick. The answer to the question of why your threads get deleted is there.

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RE: Feminist Sex - 9/30/2013 2:11:56 PM   
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Contemporary feminism seems to be about liberating women's sexuality while trying to regiment men's.




We know that is how it seems to you.


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RE: Feminist Sex - 9/30/2013 2:16:38 PM   
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[ED for typo]

Mainstream feminism is more concerned with broader issues of gender equality - So I'd suggest that feminist logic advocates for equality for anyone of any gender in and out of the bedroom.

In the 80's there was a division between sex-positive feminists (the ones who support a woman's right to be a porn star) vs the anti-porn movement.

By and large, most of the feminists I encounter are sex positive - and are generally, for example, really happy with a woman's right to be submissive if she chooses to.



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RE: Feminist Sex - 9/30/2013 3:02:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

I thought more threads about feminism isn't allowed?

Every time I make a thread about feminism, it gets deleted. Even though it's a totally different topic (on feminism) to the last.

It's probably because this isn't yet another in your endless stream of threads whining about how the evil feminist cabal is oppressing all of the poor, downtrodden, men out there.



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RE: Feminist Sex - 9/30/2013 4:08:23 PM   
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I realise that my initial question was rather obtuse but i intended for it to be that way. Personally, I think that postfeminist views tend to get caught up in the glamour of what it means to be an equal (defining the parameters of feminist equality by taking polls on slut shaming and) and somewhere along the line, we lost the traditional logic behind that movement: equality of opportunity, equality of choice. From where I am standing it looks like women fought for the right to vote against themselves.

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RE: Feminist Sex - 9/30/2013 4:31:19 PM   
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Life's too short to go into all the reasons why feminism is still needed and still valuable. But coming to focus on the kinky bedroom, every femsub I've ever had the pleasure to own has been a militant feminist, and every one has not needed to be told that her liberation includes the freedom to submit to the Master she chooses.

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RE: Feminist Sex - 9/30/2013 6:54:37 PM   
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IMO, feminism has different views inside and outside the bedroom. Outside, things are pretty simple - encourage women to go into traditionally male fields (and vice versa), push for equal pay, and try to get women on equal status.

Inside, it gets sticky. There are quite a few female subs that consider themselves feminists. Traditional feminists might have issues with women getting tied up and beaten in the name of fun, but they can't argue with their claim that feminism doesn't define set roles for women as much as grants them permission to assume whatever role they want, even of it's a submissive one.

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RE: Feminist Sex - 9/30/2013 8:22:01 PM   
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It isn't the view of Feminism so much as the viewpoints of individual women themselves. I hold ambivalent views toward Feminism. I'm old school, so I saw it evolving back in the 70s while I was growing up, cheered on a few of the higher-profile players, then watched in dismay and disillusionment as it mushroomed into a circus freak show, then wilted into seeming oblivion. Were there pro-active socio-economic reforms made in the workplace? Yes and no. By and large women still get paid less than men do for comparable positions. Does this sometimes give them an advantage in getting hired over a man whose minimum starting salary requirement is higher? Who's to know beyond the shadow of a doubt.

Early in my career, there was more than one occasion where I trained a new male boss how to do his job, covered his derriere, made it possible for his lackluster, mediocre job performance to appear as though it shined in dazzling Technicolor. Once when I was a sr. analyst for a high-tech corp. where I'd worked for 7 years, I was stunned beyond belief to see my newly hired manager get awarded a Bronze medal for database conversions I had successfully implemented with the assistance of the computer programming consultant I was personally in charge of supervising day in & day out, the duration of the project. In my heart I knew it was because I was a female that I was entirely overlooked by all the old-crony directors, but I rationalized that this could have happened to anyone. The backstabbing, that is.


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IMO, feminism has different views inside and outside the bedroom.
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There are quite a few female subs that consider themselves feminists.


I'll refrain from expressing my opinion of what other women choose to do in their private lives ostensibly under their own free will. Do I consider myself a feminist? Only by default, there being no other facsimile that comes anywhere close. On this site I selected Female Supremacy in my profile for the same reason. I'm not really an any-kind-of-supremacist. Some of the more radical philosophies espoused that I was exposed to at an early age were held by men. The late Robert Graves, for example, renowned scholar, mythologist, author of I, Claudius.

I'm out of touch with what goes on re college campuses. Someone told me feminism runs rampant over in the U.K., but I don't see it impacting us in the U.S. other than a few ripple effects here & there in the mainstream. This is all tame Mickey-Mouse stuff in relation to the way it used to be in the tumultuous 60s & 70s, for better or for worse.


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RE: Feminist Sex - 9/30/2013 8:23:37 PM   
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If a woman self-identifying as a feminist wants at any time to engage in sex with someone of the male gender, then for that woman, a man who is attracted to a feminist (of either the Paglia swain or the Greer fashion) has a limited right to speak on the subject.

When the subject is RE women who are either born to only love other women, or at the moment can only love other women (see Anne Heche), then for this other half of the discussion, men get to STFU.

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RE: Feminist Sex - 9/30/2013 8:29:33 PM   
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My opinion about feminism and kink is this: feminism is what, socially, made truly consensual D/s possible. Before feminism, and in societies where it hasn't taken hold, society had a set way that relationships were supposed to be. The man was the head of the household, the woman was the subordinate, women that had sex outside of certain sexual positions with her husband were considered immoral or even criminals, etc. Pretty much everybody did things that way, it was just assumed.

Feminism said: no. All humans are equal, those power structures are artificially created by society to oppress people, and we shouldn't have to abide by them. Women can have sex with who they want, and negotiate the boundaries they want, and have the relationships that they want, that they create for themselves with their partner.

It gives us the knowledge and tools to recognize power structures in relationships, and to negotiate different ones.

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RE: Feminist Sex - 10/1/2013 3:24:14 PM   
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Life's too short to go into all the reasons why feminism is still needed and still valuable. But coming to focus on the kinky bedroom, every femsub I've ever had the pleasure to own has been a militant feminist, and every one has not needed to be told that her liberation includes the freedom to submit to the Master she chooses.


I've always liked bondage and rough sex, but when I started reading BDSM non-fiction in the 90s, I did have some qualms about if I could be a good feminist and submissive/masochist. Fortunately, I worked through that quickly :)

Freedom to chose!

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RE: Feminist Sex - 10/1/2013 3:56:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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Life's too short to go into all the reasons why feminism is still needed and still valuable. But coming to focus on the kinky bedroom, every femsub I've ever had the pleasure to own has been a militant feminist, and every one has not needed to be told that her liberation includes the freedom to submit to the Master she chooses.


I've always liked bondage and rough sex, but when I started reading BDSM non-fiction in the 90s, I did have some qualms about if I could be a good feminist and submissive/masochist. Fortunately, I worked through that quickly :)

Freedom to chose!

In my wider experience, tough bossy femsubs are the driving force behind most kinky events I know of, and NOBODY pushes them around except the SO who's earned that right. They're poster girls for feminism, if the movement only knew.

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