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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/2/2013 2:59:36 PM   
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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/2/2013 3:19:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		cnn did a much better job, but im guessing that wasnt looked at

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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/2/2013 3:21:34 PM   
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cnn did a much better job, but im guessing that wasnt looked at



On what, and in what way are you saying this?

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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/2/2013 3:24:41 PM   
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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/2/2013 3:27:45 PM   
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http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4556334



Thanks. Concise listing.

ZH got theirs from the WSJ.

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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/2/2013 3:50:45 PM   
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No. At this moment the feds have authority to disburse any money so contract payments are not getting paid either so those security contractors may not feel the pinch today but very soon they will.

I wish I could do a better job on this one because I'm going off of the way the other half explained it to Me. In other words, I don't have a link for reference. (You'd think I could, considering that we're *on* the missile field, but that's My own failing.)

Some of the contracts get paid out in full when the contract is won and that money is lump sum paid to the independent that won the contract. They aren't all done on installments. This particular field is supposedly the former. I can't say that's the case for all, but supposedly, that's what's happening in My own backyard. On the other hand, the G-13 types hit furlough yesterday because their pay comes directly from the Federal Government.

I'm actually kind of waiting for the other half to come home today and fill Me in on his assessment of how functional this is going to be in our location because his office is mixed with three different kinds of personnel. He was on Wainwright yesterday, so he didn't really get the exposure at his own office yet.



Eventually even those lump sum contracts will expire and then....

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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/2/2013 3:53:47 PM   
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Makes me all warm and fuzzy

Oh my. Not much one can say to that.

Kind of scary seeing someone celebrating several million people unemployed in a shaky economy.

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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/2/2013 4:38:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		From afar, the republicans look like they are trying to hold the country to ransom. So much for the democratic process.

If any party in the UK tried this they would be toast. You cant cherry pick which parts of funding you will or will not sign up to, it isnt a debating tactic, it`s blackmail. I am sure the majority of Americans are bright enough to see this for what it is.

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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/2/2013 4:56:14 PM   
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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/2/2013 4:56:48 PM   
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Makes me all warm and fuzzy

Oh my. Not much one can say to that.

Kind of scary seeing someone celebrating several million people unemployed in a shaky economy.



You entirely miss the wonderfulness of it. It is beyond your comprehension.

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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/2/2013 4:59:08 PM   
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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/2/2013 5:00:25 PM   
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You entirely miss the wonderfulness of it. It is beyond your comprehension.



I miss it too, care to explain how so many out of work, or so many basic services shut down is wonderful ?

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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/2/2013 6:24:55 PM   
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Eventually even those lump sum contracts will expire and then....

I'm not disagreeing with that, Ken.

It's just not this alarmist thing that most folks want to make this out to be.

Eighteen months from now, if it didn't start up again there *might* be some worry. Right now? The concern just really isn't there.



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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/2/2013 8:22:35 PM   
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I forgot the vast innumeracy. go learn economics. look, if you make a million, or you make 20 cents, and you spend a billion, you have debt and interest. if you get a raise, due to democratic principles (which is why we have better revenues) and you make another 30 cents, but it still doesnt cover your monthly nut or even your interest. . . .


Who said: "doesnt matter how much the revenue is, since it has nothing to do with the borrowing and spending?"

If revenues have nothing to do with the spending or the borrowing, then what's the point of raising any revenue?

I have no issues with math. We are bff's. It strikes me that revenues actually do have an impact on borrowing. The difference between spending and revenues would be that part borrowed, no?

The D's don't want to cut spending to reduce the debt. The R's don't want to raise taxes (in an effort to raise revenues) to reduce the debt. The debt clock keeps spinning because we keep spending.



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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/2/2013 8:25:18 PM   
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I don't think that we need a national archies

That caught my eye too.
I'm also wondering if Air Forces Retirement Home should be Armed Forces Retirement Home.
Good thing the chart was compiled in the private sector, no? Can you imagine the mistakes those awful government workers would have made?


The mistakes would have been plenty as those who would compile this chart probably would have been furloughed.


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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/2/2013 8:29:18 PM   
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Makes me all warm and fuzzy

Oh my. Not much one can say to that.

Kind of scary seeing someone celebrating several million people unemployed in a shaky economy.



You entirely miss the wonderfulness of it. It is beyond your comprehension.

Tell me how wonderful it is. Start with the thousands of non federal service workers who are now unemployed.

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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/2/2013 8:58:41 PM   
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At what point in time does the "credit card company" come in and say, "no more?" Would you rather that day come now, or after we've racked up even more debt and expanded the amount of spending we are doing?


Defaulting now will make that day come much sooner.

I'd rather neither. I'd rather we not ruin our ability to borrow money and ruin America's place as a stable economic powerhouse. I'd rather we not have to have drastic emergency spending cuts and tax hikes and for-reals shutdowns until we can fund the government on a cash basis.

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The amount of spending we have is unsustainable. And, yes, that certainly does include defense.


Agreed. We need more revenue and fewer expenses. But defaulting on the debt we've already racked up is not the way to go about it. That will just make it worse.

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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/2/2013 9:27:33 PM   
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What think progress thinks is really not a surprise is it.. since its a mouth piece for the dims?

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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/3/2013 2:20:51 AM   
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I forgot the vast innumeracy. go learn economics. look, if you make a million, or you make 20 cents, and you spend a billion, you have debt and interest. if you get a raise, due to democratic principles (which is why we have better revenues) and you make another 30 cents, but it still doesnt cover your monthly nut or even your interest. . . .


Who said: "doesnt matter how much the revenue is, since it has nothing to do with the borrowing and spending?"

If revenues have nothing to do with the spending or the borrowing, then what's the point of raising any revenue?

I have no issues with math. We are bff's. It strikes me that revenues actually do have an impact on borrowing. The difference between spending and revenues would be that part borrowed, no?

The D's don't want to cut spending to reduce the debt. The R's don't want to raise taxes (in an effort to raise revenues) to reduce the debt. The debt clock keeps spinning because we keep spending.


You almost have it correct here. The Republicans will not raise taxes but instead demand budget cuts. That part is correct. The Democrats are willing to make budget cuts if that also includes increasing taxes. The difference of revenue to spending can be applied to the US Debt and thus lower it over time. That would be the wise thing to do, right?

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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/3/2013 2:49:08 AM   
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What think progress thinks is really not a surprise is it.. since its a mouth piece for the dims?



Lmfao. I didnt think anyone could miss the fact that the comments found in Lucys post are easily found on the net.

It seems the only dims are those unable to use google and check.

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