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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/4/2013 12:16:26 PM   
mnottertail


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You make the extraordinary claims, as any usurper in the teabagger party does. Why don't you avail yourself of reading skills and read the PPACA before you make foolish and ignorant and untutored statements like that.

Learn to google and read some real sites rather than read prison-planet, breitbart, boortz, wnd and other such asswipe.

respect to applications for waivers under this section.
(5) COORDINATED WAIVER PROCESS.—The Secretary shall
develop a process for coordinating and consolidating the State
waiver processes applicable under the provisions of this section,
and the existing waiver processes applicable under titles XVIII,
XIX, and XXI of the Social Security Act, and any other Federal
law relating to the provision of health care items or services.
Such process shall permit a State to submit a single application
for a waiver under any or all of such provisions.
(6) DEFINITION.—In this section, the term ‘‘Secretary’’
means—
(A) the Secretary of Health and Human Services with
respect to waivers relating to the provisions described in
subparagraph (A) through (C) of paragraph (2); and
(B) the Secretary of the Treasury with respect to
waivers relating to the provisions described in paragraph
(2)(D).
(b) GRANTING OF WAIVERS.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary may grant a request for
a waiver under subsection (a)(1) only if the Secretary determines
that the State plan—
(A) will provide coverage that is at least as comprehensive
as the coverage defined in section 1302(b) and offered
through Exchanges established under this title as certified
by Office of the Actuary of the Centers for Medicare &
Medicaid Services based on sufficient data from the State
and from comparable States about their experience with
programs created by this Act and the provisions of this
Act that would be waived;
(B) will provide coverage and cost sharing protections
against excessive out-of-pocket spending that are at least
as affordable as the provisions of this title would provide;
(C) will provide coverage to at least a comparable
number of its residents as the provisions of this title would
provide; and
(D) will not increase the Federal deficit.
(2) REQUIREMENT TO ENACT A LAW.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—A law described in this paragraph
is a State law that provides for State actions under a
waiver under this section, including the implementation
of the State plan under subsection (a)(1)(B).
(B) TERMINATION OF OPT OUT.—A State may repeal
a law described in subparagraph (A) and terminate the
authority provided under the waiver with respect to the
State.
(c) SCOPE OF WAIVER.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary shall determine the scope
of a waiver of a requirement described in subsection (a)(2)
granted to a State under subsection (a)(1).
(2) LIMITATION.—The Secretary may not waive under this
section any Federal law or requirement that is not within
the authority of the Secretary.
(d) DETERMINATIONS BY SECRETARY.—
(1) TIME FOR DETERMINATION.—The Secretary shall make
a determination

and so on. so once again the lies of the dishonest teabaggers are how they propose to run the country.

< Message edited by mnottertail -- 10/4/2013 12:26:21 PM >


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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/4/2013 12:18:56 PM   
mnottertail


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quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim


quote:

ORIGINAL: KYsissy

All of this could yave been avoided if Congress had passed a budget like they are supposed to every year, and have not done for the past several years. I think the pola like this drama.

Exactly. But don't blame the Republicans for that. While the Republican controlled House has passed a budget every year that Obama has been POTUS the Democrat controlled Senate has not passed a budget until this year. Facts are stubborn things and the fact is all of this could have been avoided if the Democrat controlled Senate had done what they are supposed to do.



They did, they flushed those dogshit bills down the toilet without so much as a glance.

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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/4/2013 4:48:14 PM   
dcnovice


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FR

A friend posted this on, yes, Facebook, and I think it may be the best shutdown summary I've read yet. I added a few things to the closed list.

Closed: Nature. Science. Art. Food for the elderly poor. Head Start. Small business growth. Inspections of healthy drinking water. Options for new cancer patients at NIH.

Open: War.

A dysfunctional government.


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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/4/2013 5:38:27 PM   
DomKen


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quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim


quote:

ORIGINAL: KYsissy

All of this could yave been avoided if Congress had passed a budget like they are supposed to every year, and have not done for the past several years. I think the pola like this drama.

Exactly. But don't blame the Republicans for that. While the Republican controlled House has passed a budget every year that Obama has been POTUS the Democrat controlled Senate has not passed a budget until this year. Facts are stubborn things and the fact is all of this could have been avoided if the Democrat controlled Senate had done what they are supposed to do.

The Senate amended the budget and passed it. Every time the Senate tried to appoint conference committee members the Republicans filibustered it while the Speaker has absolutely refused to appoint any conferees as well. It is 100% the Republicans fault that a budget has not been passed.

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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/4/2013 8:24:38 PM   
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To be accurate, DC, I have a couple family members who have made careers on the war side (it's downright freaky to see what my brother can do to computer network from his phone), and they are shut down too.

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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/5/2013 5:24:49 AM   
RacerJim


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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

You make the extraordinary claims, as any usurper in the teabagger party does. Why don't you avail yourself of reading skills and read the PPACA before you make foolish and ignorant and untutored statements like that.

Learn to google and read some real sites rather than read prison-planet, breitbart, boortz, wnd and other such asswipe.

respect to applications for waivers under this section.
(5) COORDINATED WAIVER PROCESS.—The Secretary shall
develop a process for coordinating and consolidating the State
waiver processes applicable under the provisions of this section,
and the existing waiver processes applicable under titles XVIII,
XIX, and XXI of the Social Security Act, and any other Federal
law relating to the provision of health care items or services.
Such process shall permit a State to submit a single application
for a waiver under any or all of such provisions.
(6) DEFINITION.—In this section, the term ‘‘Secretary’’
means—
(A) the Secretary of Health and Human Services with
respect to waivers relating to the provisions described in
subparagraph (A) through (C) of paragraph (2); and
(B) the Secretary of the Treasury with respect to
waivers relating to the provisions described in paragraph
(2)(D).
(b) GRANTING OF WAIVERS.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary may grant a request for
a waiver under subsection (a)(1) only if the Secretary determines
that the State plan—
(A) will provide coverage that is at least as comprehensive
as the coverage defined in section 1302(b) and offered
through Exchanges established under this title as certified
by Office of the Actuary of the Centers for Medicare &
Medicaid Services based on sufficient data from the State
and from comparable States about their experience with
programs created by this Act and the provisions of this
Act that would be waived;
(B) will provide coverage and cost sharing protections
against excessive out-of-pocket spending that are at least
as affordable as the provisions of this title would provide;
(C) will provide coverage to at least a comparable
number of its residents as the provisions of this title would
provide; and
(D) will not increase the Federal deficit.
(2) REQUIREMENT TO ENACT A LAW.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—A law described in this paragraph
is a State law that provides for State actions under a
waiver under this section, including the implementation
of the State plan under subsection (a)(1)(B).
(B) TERMINATION OF OPT OUT.—A State may repeal
a law described in subparagraph (A) and terminate the
authority provided under the waiver with respect to the
State.
(c) SCOPE OF WAIVER.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary shall determine the scope
of a waiver of a requirement described in subsection (a)(2)
granted to a State under subsection (a)(1).
(2) LIMITATION.—The Secretary may not waive under this
section any Federal law or requirement that is not within
the authority of the Secretary.
(d) DETERMINATIONS BY SECRETARY.—
(1) TIME FOR DETERMINATION.—The Secretary shall make
a determination

and so on. so once again the lies of the dishonest teabaggers are how they propose to run the country.

"Secretary" is not "President".
"State" is neither "businesses" or "unions".

And so on and so forth. Once again the obfuscations of the usuper's supporters are how they attempt to refute facts

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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/5/2013 6:02:28 AM   
RacerJim


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quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen


quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim


quote:

ORIGINAL: KYsissy

All of this could yave been avoided if Congress had passed a budget like they are supposed to every year, and have not done for the past several years. I think the pola like this drama.

Exactly. But don't blame the Republicans for that. While the Republican controlled House has passed a budget every year that Obama has been POTUS the Democrat controlled Senate has not passed a budget until this year. Facts are stubborn things and the fact is all of this could have been avoided if the Democrat controlled Senate had done what they are supposed to do.

The Senate amended the budget and passed it. Every time the Senate tried to appoint conference committee members the Republicans filibustered it while the Speaker has absolutely refused to appoint any conferees as well. It is 100% the Republicans fault that a budget has not been passed.


WASHINGTON POST:
Jack Lew’s misleading claim about the Senate’s failure to pass a budget resolution

CNN:
Obama, Democrats not serious about passing budget

PBS:
PBS: ‘Congress Hasn’t Passed a Budget in Years,’ Fails to Call Out Democratic Senate

Those are all pro-Democrat references/sources. 100% the Democrats fault.

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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/5/2013 6:10:30 AM   
mnottertail


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quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

You make the extraordinary claims, as any usurper in the teabagger party does. Why don't you avail yourself of reading skills and read the PPACA before you make foolish and ignorant and untutored statements like that.

Learn to google and read some real sites rather than read prison-planet, breitbart, boortz, wnd and other such asswipe.

respect to applications for waivers under this section.
(5) COORDINATED WAIVER PROCESS.—The Secretary shall
develop a process for coordinating and consolidating the State
waiver processes applicable under the provisions of this section,
and the existing waiver processes applicable under titles XVIII,
XIX, and XXI of the Social Security Act, and any other Federal
law relating to the provision of health care items or services.
Such process shall permit a State to submit a single application
for a waiver under any or all of such provisions.
(6) DEFINITION.—In this section, the term ‘‘Secretary’’
means—
(A) the Secretary of Health and Human Services with
respect to waivers relating to the provisions described in
subparagraph (A) through (C) of paragraph (2); and
(B) the Secretary of the Treasury with respect to
waivers relating to the provisions described in paragraph
(2)(D).
(b) GRANTING OF WAIVERS.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary may grant a request for
a waiver under subsection (a)(1) only if the Secretary determines
that the State plan—
(A) will provide coverage that is at least as comprehensive
as the coverage defined in section 1302(b) and offered
through Exchanges established under this title as certified
by Office of the Actuary of the Centers for Medicare &
Medicaid Services based on sufficient data from the State
and from comparable States about their experience with
programs created by this Act and the provisions of this
Act that would be waived;
(B) will provide coverage and cost sharing protections
against excessive out-of-pocket spending that are at least
as affordable as the provisions of this title would provide;
(C) will provide coverage to at least a comparable
number of its residents as the provisions of this title would
provide; and
(D) will not increase the Federal deficit.
(2) REQUIREMENT TO ENACT A LAW.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—A law described in this paragraph
is a State law that provides for State actions under a
waiver under this section, including the implementation
of the State plan under subsection (a)(1)(B).
(B) TERMINATION OF OPT OUT.—A State may repeal
a law described in subparagraph (A) and terminate the
authority provided under the waiver with respect to the
State.
(c) SCOPE OF WAIVER.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary shall determine the scope
of a waiver of a requirement described in subsection (a)(2)
granted to a State under subsection (a)(1).
(2) LIMITATION.—The Secretary may not waive under this
section any Federal law or requirement that is not within
the authority of the Secretary.
(d) DETERMINATIONS BY SECRETARY.—
(1) TIME FOR DETERMINATION.—The Secretary shall make
a determination

and so on. so once again the lies of the dishonest teabaggers are how they propose to run the country.

"Secretary" is not "President".
"State" is neither "businesses" or "unions".

And so on and so forth. Once again the obfuscations of the usuper's supporters are how they attempt to refute facts



Yeah, nice obfuscation, but no, totally asswipe. (The president didn't waiver, the HHS secretary did, don't be foolish. That was one of the many sections on waivers, you tell me don't exist. (I got that text excerpt from the house site, which is controlled by hysterical teabaggers, so if there are issues, it is with the ignorance of others, cuz you don't even see the teabagger idiots looking to say the waivers were illegal or unconstitutional. Read the fucking thing and then you won't be saying such ignorant shit.

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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/5/2013 6:29:59 AM   
DomKen


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quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen


quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim


quote:

ORIGINAL: KYsissy

All of this could yave been avoided if Congress had passed a budget like they are supposed to every year, and have not done for the past several years. I think the pola like this drama.

Exactly. But don't blame the Republicans for that. While the Republican controlled House has passed a budget every year that Obama has been POTUS the Democrat controlled Senate has not passed a budget until this year. Facts are stubborn things and the fact is all of this could have been avoided if the Democrat controlled Senate had done what they are supposed to do.

The Senate amended the budget and passed it. Every time the Senate tried to appoint conference committee members the Republicans filibustered it while the Speaker has absolutely refused to appoint any conferees as well. It is 100% the Republicans fault that a budget has not been passed.


WASHINGTON POST:
Jack Lew’s misleading claim about the Senate’s failure to pass a budget resolution

That's from February 2012. Budget's are done each year.

quote:

CNN:
Obama, Democrats not serious about passing budget

Another story from 2012.

quote:

PBS:
PBS: ‘Congress Hasn’t Passed a Budget in Years,’ Fails to Call Out Democratic SenateThose are all pro-Democrat references/sources. 100% the Democrats fault.

Newsbusters? That's a right wing site, owned by the MRC liars, and it is conveniently from the day before the Senate passed their budget resolution.
http://www.budget.senate.gov/democratic/index.cfm/senatebudget
100% the Republicans fault as anyone who got their news and information from places outside the bubble knew.

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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/5/2013 6:45:58 AM   
dcnovice


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quote:

To be accurate, DC, I have a couple family members who have made careers on the war side (it's downright freaky to see what my brother can do to computer network from his phone), and they are shut down too.

Point taken, Rich. I think my friend meant Afghanistan and Iraq, but you're right that DOD has indeed taken a huge hit.

My sympathies to your relatives. Wondering when--if--one's livelihood will resume must be pretty damn stressful.

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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/5/2013 8:16:58 AM   
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I'm sure they'd appreciate that, DC, but it's a layoff, and most likely a short one. They'll ride it out, and from the pics getting posted to facebook, they are making the most of the time.

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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/5/2013 9:50:34 AM   
Phydeaux


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quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
.. Budget's are done each year.
.



Really. How about you name the years in Obama's administration when a budget (not a CR) was passed.
And then .. for extra fun... the years in which a budget was passed on time, in accordance with the law?

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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/5/2013 9:56:14 AM   
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SOUTHCENTRAL AND SOUTHWEST ALASKA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ANCHORAGE AK
500 AM AKDT FRI OCT 4 2013

.ANALYSIS AND UPPER LEVELS...

PRESSURES AT THE CENTER OF THE WESTERN GULF SURFACE LOW CONTINUE TO
LEVEL AS DYNAMIC SUPPORT HAS ONCE AGAIN RUN OUT. THE UPPER TROUGH
EASES SLOWLY EASTWARD IN THE GULF WITH THE REMAINING SURFACE LOW
AMALGAMATING INTO A BROAD COMPLEX CENTER UNDER THE UPPER LOW. WIND
SPEEDS IN THE JET STREAK DOWNSTREAM OF THE LONG-WAVE APPROACH 140 KT.
ENTERING THE BACKSIDE OF THE TROUGH...A WEAKER JET STREAK CONTINUES
PUSHING THE PROGRESSIVE PATTERN. RAIN SHOWERS PERSIST IN THE GULF...
ALTHOUGH THE FRONT IS RAPIDLY WEAKENING EARLY THIS MORNING.
YESTERDAY`S COASTAL JET HAS WOUND DOWN WITH THE ENERGY SHIFTING
UNDERNEATH THE BACKSIDE JET BEHIND THE LOW BRINGING THE STRONGEST
SUSTAINED WINDS FROM BRISTOL BAY THROUGH THE SOUTHERN GULF.


Source: NOAA

Note: This is getting pushed down the page with each new update, so you have to scroll down.

K.

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RE: No worries about the shutdown - 10/5/2013 2:36:55 PM   
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This tickled my twisted funny bone.



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