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Phydeaux -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/1/2013 11:48:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NoBimbosAllowed I didn't miss it, but I thought that partisan bullshit could well be applied, and thus the point is missed. Testy Lefties and Mighty Tighty Whitey Righties need to STOP the Prottie/Catholic style partisan bullcrap on this one, just this once. Take the energy used in pseudo-argument and place that into a creative and concerted and productive use of "immanent domain" and instead of shutting down this or that and cutting this or that, TAKE IT from the WallStreet Wanks and FratSopoogeballs, start culling the monies required from all the assets of the ASSES that led to the problem. "You break it, you buy it, ASSHOLE". It's not like there won't be twice as many similar assholes to take their jobs once the first set of assholes are rightfully bankrupted, like they bankrupted their country and therefore other countries. It. will. never. happen. Dims. don't. want. to. prosecute. From eliot spitzer, to eric holder to ... The biggest prosecutions are originating out of.. what.. new jersey?

LadyPact -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/2/2013 12:13:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu The guys that safeguard our nuclear weapons are working without pay. How long do you think these people are going to be willing to work unpaid? Not exactly. That's done under contracts, which are funds that are already guaranteed. Right now? Those guys are more assured of a paycheck than the G-13's.

DomKen -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/2/2013 2:52:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu The guys that safeguard our nuclear weapons are working without pay. How long do you think these people are going to be willing to work unpaid? Not exactly. That's done under contracts, which are funds that are already guaranteed. Right now? Those guys are more assured of a paycheck than the G-13's. No. At this moment the feds have authority to disburse any money so contract payments are not getting paid either so those security contractors may not feel the pinch today but very soon they will.

dcnovice -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/2/2013 4:36:17 AM)
quote: DC, you live in the heart of the federal government. Of course this is having a major impact there. True. I was simply pointing out that some of us have seen more than an "iota" of post-shutdown change. quote: I hear your city also has been doing really well, while some of us have been living in 16% unemployment for years. It depends whom you ask. I know folks who are still struggling to find full-time work after RIFs a couple of years ago, and plenty of friends haven't seen a raise this decade. Nor have I, for that matter. Those of us who aren't A-listers worry about being priced out of our neighborhoods as luxury condos displace affordable housing. So, as is often the case, some people are doing "real well'; others less so. quote: None are so blind as those who think their view is the only one. When have I ever claimed my view is the only one?

Lucylastic -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/2/2013 4:40:28 AM)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/01/house-republicans-clean-cr_n_4024755.html WASHINGTON -- Less than a day after the government shut down, House Republicans are slowly but steadily coming forward to say they're ready to just pass a bill to fund the government with no strings attached. Here's who they are, and why they say they're done with trying to force through provisions to delay or defund Obamacare in order to keep the government running. We'll update the list if and when more come in. It would take 17 Republicans, along with all Democrats, to cobble together the votes to pass a clean continuing resolution. ---------- Rep. Pat Meehan (R-Pa.): “At this point, I believe it’s time for the House to vote for a clean, short-term funding bill to bring the Senate to the table and negotiate a responsible compromise.” [Press Release, 10/1/13] Rep. Scott Rigell (R-Va.): “Time for a clean [continuing resolution].” [Official Twitter, 10/1/13] Rep. Jon Runyan (R-N.J.): “Enough is enough. Put a clean [continuing resolution] on the floor and let’s get on with the business we were sent to do." [Burlington County Times, 10/1/13] Rep. Mike Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.): A Fitzpatrick aide tells the Philadelphia Inquirer the congressman would support a clean funding bill if it came up for a vote. [Philadelphia Inquirer, 10/1/13] Rep. Lou Barletta (R-Pa.): Barletta said he would "absolutely" vote for a clean bill in order to avert a shut down of the government. [Bethlehem Morning Call, 10/1/13] Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.): King thinks House Republicans would prefer to avoid a shutdown and said he will only vote for a clean continuing resolution to fund the government, according to the National Review Online. [NRO, 9/30/13] Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.): The California Republican told The Huffington Post he would ultimately support a clean continuing resolution. [Tweet by The Huffington Post's Sabrina Siddiqui, 9/30/13] Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.): “I'm prepared to vote for a clean [continuing resolution].” [The Huffington Post, 9/29/13] Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.): A Wolf aide told The Hill that he agrees with fellow Virginia Rep. Scott Rigell (R) that it's time for a clean continuing resolution. [The Hill, 10/1/13] Rep. Michael Grimm (R-N.Y.): A Grimm aide told The Huffington Post that the congressman supports a clean continuing resolution. [10/1/13]. Rep. Erik Paulsen (R-Minn.): A local news anchor in Minnesota tweeted that Paulsen told him he would vote for a clean resolution if given the chance. [Blake McCoy Tweet, 10/1/13] Rep. Rob Wittman (R-Va.): A constituent of Wittman's sent The Huffington Post an email she got from the congressman indicating he would vote for a clean funding bill but hasn't had "an opportunity to do so at this point." [10/1/13] Rep. Frank LoBiondo (R-N.J.): LoBiondo told The Press of Atlantic City he'll support "whatever gets a successful conclusion" to the shutdown and a clean funding bill "is one of those options." [The Press of Atlantic City, 10/1/13]

Lucylastic -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/2/2013 4:46:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: DC, you live in the heart of the federal government. Of course this is having a major impact there. True. I was simply pointing out that some of us have seen more than an "iota" of post-shutdown change. quote: I hear your city also has been doing really well, while some of us have been living in 16% unemployment for years. It depends whom you ask. I know folks who are still struggling to find full-time work after RIFs a couple of years ago, and plenty of friends haven't seen a raise this decade. Nor have I, for that matter. Those of us who aren't A-listers worry about being priced out of our neighborhoods as luxury condos displace affordable housing. So, as is often the case, some people are doing "real well'; others less so. quote: None are so blind as those who think their view is the only one. When have I ever claimed my view is the only one? At least you give a damn about the people who ARE being affected, not just yourself... there is the difference between a large number of those saying its not going to affect them

DesideriScuri -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/2/2013 5:07:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu But trying to hold hostage the functioning of our government and the paychecks of millions of people in order to force their political opponents to vote against the will of the legislature and their constituency is madness and anarchy and not at all part of our civil governmental process. Sorry, but that's what is called "leverage." Also part of our civil government process. Shutting down the government is not part of having a responsible civil government. Neither is threatening to default on our national debts. It's like if you told your boss "double my pay, or I'll smash up the office with a sledgehammer". That's leverage, sure, but it sure as hell isn't responsible. Funny thing is, we have money coming in, don't we? We won't default on our debts unless the President decides to. A responsible civil government wouldn't be in this situation, either.

mnottertail -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/2/2013 7:14:44 AM)
We dont have that sort of money coming in, it is mostly borrowed, and without statutory authority, we can borrow no more nor spend what is coming in.

DesideriScuri -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/2/2013 7:16:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail We dont have that sort of money coming in, it is mostly borrowed, and without statutory authority, we can borrow no more nor spend what is coming in. I figured paying on our debts was essential. Who knew?

dcnovice -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/2/2013 7:28:35 AM)
quote: I figured paying on our debts was essential. Same here. But not everyone on Capitol Hill appears to agree with us.

graceadieu -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/2/2013 8:59:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic They got paid on Monday, and they'll get paid again, just as soon as the Democrats agree to any of the Republican bills to fund government operations. How does one reconcile the President declaring he will not negotiate, with claims that this all the Republicans fault? Wasn't he the guy so thrilled to point out that elections have consequences? We've gone over this. The Republicans are the ones refusing to pay for a law that passed and they failed to repeal and they failed to elect people that would repeal it. What concessions, exactly, are the Republicans looking for in exchange for passing the budget without cancelling the ACA? I haven't seen anything put forward, though I'll admit I may have missed something.

mnottertail -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/2/2013 9:01:00 AM)
Well, they have already agreed to funding this continuing resolution at sequestration levels. I dont know what there is to negotiate about regarding money already spent by teabaggers.

graceadieu -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/2/2013 9:01:14 AM)
Nm

Yachtie -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/2/2013 9:16:25 AM)
FR - Reuters obtained an EPA guidance in which the agency said it would "classify 1,069 employees, out of 16,205, as essential," which is about 6.6% of the agency's workforce, in the event of a government shutdown, which occurred on Tuesday. [bolding added] That's a start [:D]

mnottertail -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/2/2013 9:22:18 AM)
I doubt the teabaggers in the house will be as draconian with their aides and staffers getting cut loose as the Executive branch is with theirs.

DomKen -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/2/2013 9:38:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie FR - Reuters obtained an EPA guidance in which the agency said it would "classify 1,069 employees, out of 16,205, as essential," which is about 6.6% of the agency's workforce, in the event of a government shutdown, which occurred on Tuesday. [bolding added] That's a start [:D] Looking forward to rivers burning again I see.

graceadieu -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/2/2013 9:47:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu But trying to hold hostage the functioning of our government and the paychecks of millions of people in order to force their political opponents to vote against the will of the legislature and their constituency is madness and anarchy and not at all part of our civil governmental process. Sorry, but that's what is called "leverage." Also part of our civil government process. Shutting down the government is not part of having a responsible civil government. Neither is threatening to default on our national debts. It's like if you told your boss "double my pay, or I'll smash up the office with a sledgehammer". That's leverage, sure, but it sure as hell isn't responsible. Funny thing is, we have money coming in, don't we? We won't default on our debts unless the President decides to. A responsible civil government wouldn't be in this situation, either. Some federal programs - Social Security, Medicare, USPS, etc - pay for themselves via payroll taxes and fees. But the federal government just doen't have enough revenue coming in to cover our discretionary spending (mainly defense), and haven't since GWB came into office. (Clearly, increasing spending and reducing revenue was not a great way to pay the bills.) So we have these programs, spend the money, and then when we get the bill afterwards, we sometimes need to borrow money to pay it. But every so often, we hit the "debt ceiling" Congress has imposed, and so they need to vote to let the Treasury borrow more money to pay for the goods and services that the government already bought, and to pay back loans the government took out in previous years. For the last few months, the Treasury has been borrowing money from the Federal pension fund so they can pay the bills, as an emergency measure. But they're about to hit a point where they can't do that anymore. It's like, I guess... you have your doctor bill you for some tests they did. You get the bill, and it turns out it's more than you can pay that month. Would you put it on your credit card (borrow money) or just refuse to pay?

Yachtie -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/2/2013 10:31:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie FR - Reuters obtained an EPA guidance in which the agency said it would "classify 1,069 employees, out of 16,205, as essential," which is about 6.6% of the agency's workforce, in the event of a government shutdown, which occurred on Tuesday. [bolding added] That's a start [:D] Looking forward to rivers burning again I see. You know, a guy here once went out to dredge a small part of a channel that had been filling in. It was a small part. He was ordered to cease and desist. He wasn't billing anyone else, doing it on his own. Your BS falls flat.

mnottertail -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/2/2013 10:40:52 AM)
Yeah, interesting, the law in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets, and steal loaves of bread, you to shingle my house without authorization, or the guy to dredge everybody elses stream.

DomKen -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/2/2013 10:45:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie FR - Reuters obtained an EPA guidance in which the agency said it would "classify 1,069 employees, out of 16,205, as essential," which is about 6.6% of the agency's workforce, in the event of a government shutdown, which occurred on Tuesday. [bolding added] That's a start [:D] Looking forward to rivers burning again I see. You know, a guy here once went out to dredge a small part of a channel that had been filling in. It was a small part. He was ordered to cease and desist. He wasn't billing anyone else, doing it on his own. Your BS falls flat. NOPE. Take a long look https://www.google.com/search?q=cuyahoga+river+fire&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=V1tMUoK2OMLhygG7j4CAAw&sqi=2&ved=0CDcQsAQ&biw=1516&bih=794&dpr=1

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