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mnottertail -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/1/2013 1:50:12 PM)
All other things being equal, I would not mind them voting for a bill impoverishing their staffers, they have seen to that for the rest of our citizenry.

DaddySatyr -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/1/2013 2:22:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: given a Conservative POTUS he/she could direct HHS and the IRS to not enforce "Obamacare" just like Obama directed the DoJ to not enforce the Defense Of Marriage Act. The Obama administration announced in 2011 that it had concluded Section 3 was unconstitutional and, though it would continue to enforce the law while it existed, it would no longer defend it in court Just to set the record straight. Now, we have the executive branch deciding constitutionality. I feel "safer" already.

dcnovice -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/1/2013 2:25:37 PM)
quote: Now, we have the executive branch deciding constitutionality. I feel "safer" already. Would you prefer if DOJ had spent a boatload of time, energy, and taxpayer dollars defending a law it considered (accurately as it turned out) to be constitutionally indefensible?

Charles6682 -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/1/2013 2:30:31 PM)
I have to apologize to the rest of the World on behalf of the USA, who can't seem to get anything done right these day's. Thank's a lot Teabagger's. Making USA the joke of the World, you certainly accomplished that.

mnottertail -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/1/2013 2:34:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: given a Conservative POTUS he/she could direct HHS and the IRS to not enforce "Obamacare" just like Obama directed the DoJ to not enforce the Defense Of Marriage Act. The Obama administration announced in 2011 that it had concluded Section 3 was unconstitutional and, though it would continue to enforce the law while it existed, it would no longer defend it in court Just to set the record straight. Now, we have the executive branch deciding constitutionality. I feel "safer" already. They swear an oath to preserve, protect, and defend that document, they better know more than the teabaggers/independents/conservatives/republicans know about it, because it is pretty obvious they dont know shit.

dcnovice -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/1/2013 2:44:57 PM)
FR A bit of (partisan) comic relief: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-september-30-2013/jon-stewart-s-rockin--shutdown-eve?xrs=playershare_fb

dcnovice -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/1/2013 3:35:52 PM)
FR When Peter King emerges as the voice of reason, you know we're fucked. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/peter-king-finds-himself-increasingly-at-odds-with-the-ted-cruz-element/2013/10/01/ce7bc2b8-2a4e-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_story.html?hpid=z2

Lucylastic -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/1/2013 4:00:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice FR A bit of (partisan) comic relief: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-september-30-2013/jon-stewart-s-rockin--shutdown-eve?xrs=playershare_fb as usual he nails it down dead

Phoenixpower -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/1/2013 4:06:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Charles6682 Making USA the joke of the World, you certainly accomplished that. Well...having seen it in the news earlier today...my partner and I are glad that we delayed our florida trip to next year and are not in the states right now...I hope this will get sorted soon over there...

Phydeaux -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/1/2013 5:54:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower quote: ORIGINAL: Charles6682 Making USA the joke of the World, you certainly accomplished that. Well...having seen it in the news earlier today...my partner and I are glad that we delayed our florida trip to next year and are not in the states right now...I hope this will get sorted soon over there... Why? I haven't notice an iota of difference.

mnottertail -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/1/2013 5:56:12 PM)
Neither have I, the teabaggers are still stupid, and this costs more than running the government in fiscal fashion, but they have been doing this shit for 35 years or so.

dcnovice -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/1/2013 6:15:07 PM)
quote: Why? I haven't notice an iota of difference. Two thoughts: (a) I did. My colleagues and I trudged home with bags full of work. We'll be toiling at home, since the government building that houses our nonprofit is closed. A travel writer friend got ejected from a national park. Several fellow Washingtonians wondered if they'd get paid in time to make the rent--or ever, for that matter. I couldn't get the research materials I need for a work project because the Smithsonian library that has them was shut. The National Zoo was eerily empty on a gorgeous, perfect-for-zoogoing day. The businesses across the street wondered what will happen to their bottom lines without tourist revenue. Ditto for cabbies. ABC reported that NIH is turning new patients away. (b) As the old saying goes, there are none so blind as those who will not see.

graceadieu -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/1/2013 6:18:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim Obamacare can indeed still be repealed -- just like Obama and the Dem Congress repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell. You mean the repeal bill that was put forward by a Republican Senator, argued for in Congress by the Republican Secretary of Defense, and passed by like 2/3 of the House? quote: Additionally, given a Conservative POTUS he/she could direct HHS and the IRS to not enforce "Obamacare" just like Obama directed the DoJ to not enforce the Defense Of Marriage Act. Actually, he ordered the DoJ to continue to enforce it - just not to defend it in court. It ended when the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional. But regardless of all that - yes, if the GOP wins the Senate and the Presidency in 2016, they'll definitely be able to repeal the ACA if they so wish. I think that it will be hard for them to fight for taking people's health insurance away once this goes into effect, but they could do it. Because we live in a democracy, and that's how democracy works. By voting and accepting the outcome, not by shutting down the government when you can't win the vote.

dcnovice -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/1/2013 6:21:59 PM)
quote: I think that it will be hard for them to fight for taking people's health insurance away once this goes into effect I suspect that's why they're so hell-bent on stopping it now. What would happen to their credibility if the law they've demonized for years now proves a success?

graceadieu -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/1/2013 6:22:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: Why? I haven't notice an iota of difference. Two thoughts: (a) I did. My colleagues and I trudged home with bags full of work. We'll be toiling at home, since the government building that houses our nonprofit is closed. A travel writer friend got ejected from a national park. Several fellow Washingtonians wondered if they'd get paid in time to make the rent--or ever, for that matter. I couldn't get the research materials I need for a work project because the Smithsonian library that has them was shut. The National Zoo was eerily empty on a gorgeous, perfect-for-zoogoing day. The businesses across the street wondered what will happen to their bottom lines without tourist revenue. Ditto for cabbies. ABC reported that NIH is turning new patients away. (b) As the old saying goes, there are none so blind as those who will not see. I know that I'm worried. A lot of our customers are federal employees. If they don't get paid, how can they pay me? And I have friends who are federal employees who are worried about paying their rent and buying food this month.

graceadieu -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/1/2013 6:29:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: I think that it will be hard for them to fight for taking people's health insurance away once this goes into effect I suspect that's why they're so hell-bent on stopping it now. What would happen to their credibility if the law they've demonized for years now proves a success? Even if it has a lot of problems, and I'm sure there will be some, it absolutely will provide affordably priced health care for at least a few million people. After 2 years of that, it'll be real hard for Republicans to call for a complete repeal and have all those people lose the insurance/Medicaid they've become used to. They'll be stuck fighting for reforms, rather than a complete repeal.

dcnovice -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/1/2013 6:30:24 PM)
FR I'm guessing these kids noticed a difference. [image]https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1383071_10151915847248606_1618069346_n.jpg[/image]

Phydeaux -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/1/2013 6:33:47 PM)
Well, I should hope so. Since it will cost in excess of 1.7 trillion dollars. Lets do the math here, gracie. Lets use your figure of a few million people. I'll call that 5 million. 1.7 trillion dollars = 1,700,000,000,000 $ divided by 5,000,000 ========================= 340,000 $ / person. So gracie, by your own math - would you rather have your healthcare - or the government give you $340,000 every year.

DomKen -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/1/2013 7:16:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: given a Conservative POTUS he/she could direct HHS and the IRS to not enforce "Obamacare" just like Obama directed the DoJ to not enforce the Defense Of Marriage Act. The Obama administration announced in 2011 that it had concluded Section 3 was unconstitutional and, though it would continue to enforce the law while it existed, it would no longer defend it in court Just to set the record straight. Now, we have the executive branch deciding constitutionality. I feel "safer" already. All the courts that reviewed the law agreed as did every Constitutional scholar I could find who wrote on the subject. It was the most obviously unconstitutional law since at least the Tenure of Office Act.

Lucylastic -> RE: No worries about the shutdown (10/1/2013 7:20:05 PM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx2scvIFGjE&feature=youtu.be

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