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RE: Barrycades - 10/5/2013 1:15:37 PM   
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Are you going for some sort of record in refusing to answer a simple question?

Because you've had your 3 strikes.



Well then tell us? What is the answer?

I mean... do you really want to play "gotcha" question only to pounce when its not answered the way you want (or expect) the guy to answer it?

If it was a rhetorical, then ask and answer it!

If you have a point to make, make it without asking a question instead of trying to pick a fight.

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RE: Barrycades - 10/5/2013 1:17:35 PM   
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Well last time I spent any significant time there was the mid 90's and back then Metro was really the way to go to get downtown. Kind of depressing if it isn't being properly maintained.

I agree. A lot of the equipment--most visibly the escalators--seems to be showing its age.

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RE: Barrycades - 10/5/2013 1:32:01 PM   
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Are you going for some sort of record in refusing to answer a simple question?





Here is the question.

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By 'this action' are you talking about the hoax that never happened?



And here is the answer:

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Now that is a spin I hadn't heard yet (I do have a job to go off to, and a wife to tie up and hurt, so I don't catch everything, especially if it comes off a cable news talking head, or emailed talking points).

Please, do elaborate, EdBowie. I'm fascinated. Will the story start with a liberal redefinition and explanation of what conservatives "really believe and stand for," and only work within the artful construction of that fantasy? Are the Koch Brothers behind it all? Photoshop? Did somebody do the "research" and find out it is all Bush's fault?


The subject of this thread is the closing of access to memorials and monuments. That is the action under discussion. I have no idea what other bullshit fantasies you might be speaking of, even after seeing what my politically diverse family and old friends are posting on facebook.

I have little patience for douchebags. I'm granting you the last bit you are likely to get, so step up, or step out.



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RE: Barrycades - 10/5/2013 1:34:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

If you have a point to make, make it without asking a question instead of trying to pick a fight.



I think the point is to pick a fight, FDD. That way, we won't be talking about the Barrycades (that's a fun word), and maybe the thread will even get locked.

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RE: Barrycades - 10/5/2013 2:29:39 PM   
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So all those veterans in the pictures simply levitated over these welded shut barricades? How did they get past the snipers?



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I was there yesterday.... you'll need some decent tools to move them now. The Barry-cades are wired shut, and surrounded by mesh fencing.





That was Tuesday. Yesterday was Friday... there were also EIGHT horse patrol officers at the WWII Memorial yesterday.

Perhaps the extra presence was because a guy had just self immolated on the Mall?

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RE: Barrycades - 10/5/2013 2:37:56 PM   
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Well last time I spent any significant time there was the mid 90's and back then Metro was really the way to go to get downtown. Kind of depressing if it isn't being properly maintained.

I agree. A lot of the equipment--most visibly the escalators--seems to be showing its age.

That's ridiculous. I live in a city with a rapid transit system with parts that are over a century old and it still works great. When I was first in DC, late 80's, the train system was brand new (the green line out towards Andrews hadn't even been built back then) and it was a great system and on most days saved me the hassles of driving in the District and fighting for parking spaces. I could easily get to the Capital, the Pentagon and my primary duty station in Crystal City easily and efficiently which made my life so much easier than having to drive back and forth all the time. I don't think I ever drove to Washington National to catch a flight because the train even had a stop right there. I remember thinking what a pain it was to drive to Dulles for an international flight.

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RE: Barrycades - 10/5/2013 2:40:48 PM   
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I think the point is to pick a fight, FDD. That way, we won't be talking about the Barrycades...

Speaking of which...

Obama Administation Arbitrarily Choosing Which D.C. Monuments and Parks to Close Off to Veterans and Tourists

[interactive map at link]

WASHINGTON, D.C., October 2, 2013 - Yesterday, the Obama Administration began selectively erecting barricades to keep visitors, including large groups of World War II veterans, from visiting popular monuments such as the World War II Memorial, Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial, and the National Mall. However, the Obama Administration is applying this policy inconsistently and choosing which memorials to block off and which to keep open. While these popular monuments remain barricaded, other U.S. Park properties such as the Constitutional Gardens and Japanese Americans Memorial remain completely open.

It's almost as if somebody wanted to cause as much suffering as possible.

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RE: Barrycades - 10/5/2013 2:49:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Constitution Gardens is the name for a subsection of the Mall. It is open land. Why would it be fenced off if the entire Mall isn't?
The closest thing I can find to a "Japanese Americans Memorial" is the Memorial to Japanese-American Patriotism in World War II which is a single statue in a small park surrounded by city streets. I'm unsure whether it is the city or the Park Service that owns the park.

I think the House Republicans made something up, shocking I know, and assumed no one would check.

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RE: Barrycades - 10/5/2013 4:22:30 PM   
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While these popular monuments remain barricaded, other U.S. Park properties such as the Constitutional Gardens and Japanese Americans Memorial remain completely open.

A few thoughts:

-- I've lived in DC for three decades and have never heard of either of the spots mentioned in this sentence.

-- Even when the government is open, NPS staff is not infinite.

-- There's something darkly amusing about the party of "small government" whining that the feds haven't fenced off enough of the capital.

ETA after a second look:

-- The title "Hot Air Alert" is unwittingly apt.

-- About half the places shown in the map images are traffic circles that generally have no NPS presence. It's hard to tell from the Dupont Circle photo if we're meant to think that the fence, erected years ago, is a shutdown special.

-- As someone in the communications business, I can't help thinking: "If that were the best 'alert' I could come up with, I'd keep my mouth shut."

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RE: Barrycades - 10/5/2013 4:31:32 PM   
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Just close the information centers and allow for the normal police patrol.


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RE: Barrycades - 10/5/2013 4:56:19 PM   
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Thursday back in South Florida, a day after limits for the National Institutes of Health made headlines, it was the fear of food drying up and a prohibition on fishing in waters of Florida Bay that took center stage.

Charter guides received a message from the National Park Service this week informing them that they are not permitted to take clients fishing in Florida Bay until the feds get back to work. That means that more than 1,100 square miles of prime fishing is off limits between the southern tip of the mainland to the Keys until further notice...

Biscayne National Park is also off limits. Enforcement rangers will be on duty...

With Tropical Storm Karen bearing down and threatening to become a hurricane, the Florida National Guard announced half of its 2,000 full-time federal employees have been furloughed. It translates to valuable equipment that could be deployed during a storm not receiving proper maintenance.

Source: Miami Herald

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RE: Barrycades - 10/5/2013 4:57:09 PM   
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Just before the weekend, the National Park Service informed charter boat captains in Florida that the Florida Bay was "closed" due to the shutdown. Until government funding is restored, the fishing boats are prohibited from taking anglers into 1,100 square-miles of open ocean. Fishing is also prohibited at Biscayne National Park during the shutdown.

The Park Service will also have rangers on duty to police the ban... of access to an ocean. The government will probably use more personnel and spend more resources to attempt to close the ocean, than it would in its normal course of business.

This is governing by temper-tantrum. It is on par with the government's ham-fisted attempts to close the DC WWII Memorial, an open-air public monument that is normally accessible 24 hours a day. By accessible I mean, you walk up to it. When you have finished reflecting, you then walk away from it.

At least that Memorial is an actual structure, with some kind of perimeter that can be fenced off. Florida Bay is the ocean. How, pray tell, do you "close" 1,100 square miles of ocean? Why would one even need to do so?

Apparently, according to an anonymous Park Service ranger, “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”

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RE: Barrycades - 10/5/2013 5:00:07 PM   
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RE: Barrycades - 10/5/2013 5:03:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Florida Bay is part of the Everglades National Park and a little is in a federal marine sanctuary. Those fishing boat operators have to abide by strict rules to fish those waters and with the Park Rangers who would normally enforce those rules furloughed of course those fishing boats can't fish.

Yet another bullshit whine. Do you think if it was a state government shut down they'd still allow hunting season to open?

Also an anonymous source on Breitbart? At least try to not make people laugh at the bullshit you guys put up.

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RE: Barrycades - 10/5/2013 5:12:42 PM   
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RE: Barrycades - 10/5/2013 5:14:58 PM   
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It's amazing that some people champion the working man, yet champion government more.

You'll get back to work soon, comrade.

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RE: Barrycades - 10/5/2013 5:23:04 PM   
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RE: Barrycades - 10/5/2013 5:32:46 PM   
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Florida Bay is part of the Everglades National Park and a little is in a federal marine sanctuary. Those fishing boat operators have to abide by strict rules to fish those waters and with the Park Rangers who would normally enforce those rules furloughed of course those fishing boats can't fish.

Absolutely they can't fish. Not without police! The idea is preposterous. Everybody knows that American's can't be trusted to do anything without the police watching them. That's why they're always around when you need them.

Nautical Map of Florida Bay

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RE: Barrycades - 10/5/2013 6:05:27 PM   
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Florida Bay is part of the Everglades National Park and a little is in a federal marine sanctuary. Those fishing boat operators have to abide by strict rules to fish those waters and with the Park Rangers who would normally enforce those rules furloughed of course those fishing boats can't fish.

Absolutely they can't fish. Not without police! The idea is preposterous. Everybody knows that American's can't be trusted to do anything without the police watching them. That's why they're always around when you need them.

Nautical Map of Florida Bay

K.

With no Rangers on duty what is to stop these guys from taking endangered or threatened species or simply just exceeding their license limits?

Also what do you think the chart proves?

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RE: Barrycades - 10/5/2013 7:24:02 PM   
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So let me get this straight.

You think park rangers enforce the ban so that fishers don't take threatened or endangered species. Fair enough. Although point of fact if you're a fisherman you might be checked once every couple of *years*.

With no rangers on duty... .. whats to stop people from taking threatened or endangered species... Um... Nothing? Closing the park is exactly as effective as leaving it open.

No rangers to stop them from exceeding their limit. No one to stop them from not using the park. No one. Get it?



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