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The Government needs money, where to get it


Raise taxes on the rich.
  25% (14)
Raise taxes on the middle class
  3% (2)
Raise taxes on everyone.
  7% (4)
Stop buying jet engines, tanks no one wants
  30% (17)
Sell 55,000 to 77,000 vacant properties it owns
  32% (18)


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(last vote on : 10/4/2013 8:54:26 PM)
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RE: The Government needs money, where to get it - 10/4/2013 12:35:17 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Exactly, because they get a mortgage expense.

So, no, you don't got it.

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RE: The Government needs money, where to get it - 10/4/2013 12:39:37 PM   
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Exactly, because they get a mortgage expense.
So, no, you don't got it.


Why were individuals (non-business) granted a mortgage interest deduction?


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RE: The Government needs money, where to get it - 10/4/2013 12:41:58 PM   
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Again, since corporations are people they lose all the deductions as well. Otherwise it is craven corporate capitulism.

I guess then the corporations that lose money can also apply for Section 8, food stamps/SNAP, and all the other "help" people get, right?




Yeah, they do now even making money. See how many people who work at wal-mart (for one example, US military for another) get foodstamps and so on.


workers are people people, I was talking about corporation "people" and those don't get snap, section 8 etc..

and yes I know some workers do qualify for those programs.. I don't have any problem with that for people that need it..

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RE: The Government needs money, where to get it - 10/4/2013 12:43:34 PM   
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Why were individuals (non-business) granted a mortgage interest deduction?


cuz some politician that wanted to be elected decided bribing people for votes with their own money was a great way to get elected..

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RE: The Government needs money, where to get it - 10/4/2013 12:43:34 PM   
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RE: The Government needs money, where to get it - 10/4/2013 12:45:23 PM   
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Why were individuals (non-business) granted a mortgage interest deduction?


cuz some politician that wanted to be elected decided bribing people for votes with their own money was a great way to get elected..


Nope. You got that from some teabagger site, right? Try again.


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RE: The Government needs money, where to get it - 10/4/2013 12:51:47 PM   
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workers are people people, I was talking about corporation "people" and those don't get snap, section 8 etc..


Yesh, their welfare (around 85 billion in one sector) comes in different forms.

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RE: The Government needs money, where to get it - 10/4/2013 12:52:01 PM   
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Nope. You got that from some teabagger site, right? Try again.


so when I say the truth I am just a teabagger pawn?

I dislike all US political parties equally so no, I see how politicans work, all of them do the exact same thing, including Obama.. he was elected mostly cuz he brought in Obamacare.. which is again, bribing tax payers with their own (collective) money.. (that doesn't mean all taxpayers benefit at the same rate, of course)..

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RE: The Government needs money, where to get it - 10/4/2013 12:54:38 PM   
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workers are people people, I was talking about corporation "people" and those don't get snap, section 8 etc..


Yesh, their welfare (around 85 billion in one sector) comes in different forms.

I don't believe in that but then I am not an American voter who keeps electing the same politicians that give businesses that "welfare"..

that said, I do believe in legit business deductions tho..

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RE: The Government needs money, where to get it - 10/4/2013 12:56:45 PM   
mnottertail


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RE: The Government needs money, where to get it - 10/4/2013 1:00:19 PM   
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I haven't seen the truth yet. Any unknowing bumptuous canter who does not possess facts, but hipshoots, tailshoots, mouthshoots any sort of asswipe from the vacuous place where a brain resides as weltanschuuangen as honest discourse worthy of consideration does help teabaggers.

how the hell to I help teabaggers? I cant vote.. I am absolutely no help to them at all.. but then you wouldn't be bitchin' if I had the same opinion as you..

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RE: The Government needs money, where to get it - 10/4/2013 1:04:06 PM   
mnottertail


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Here is a hint. When the first tax was instituted in the US; ALL interest was deductable for all people and at the time, non-people.

DUCY? If not, can you find out? Only one can write off all interest now, and only one has this one interest deduction left. Guess who is who?

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RE: The Government needs money, where to get it - 10/4/2013 1:06:57 PM   
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you dont know? What the fuck are you doing in a conversation you havent got a fucking clue about?


Are you going to answer, or just dance around?


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  • Help for the truly needy
  • Limited Government
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RE: The Government needs money, where to get it - 10/4/2013 1:09:18 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		No, I am not going to tutor you. Do your own factfinding. I am not dancing. You quit vermiformously writhing, do you know or not? If you do....(but you don't). . .

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RE: The Government needs money, where to get it - 10/4/2013 1:09:43 PM   
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Those who continuously portray propaganda as fact help the teabaggers.


Here is a hint. When the first tax was instituted in the US; ALL interest was deductable for all people and at the time, non-people.

DUCY? If not, can you find out? Only one can write off all interest now, and only one has this one interest deduction left. Guess who is who?

and taxes was just a temporary measure too.. they lied then and they still lie now.. they tried to make taxes palatable by giving deductions not deserved then and not deserved now.. why is it that renters don't get a tax deduction for their rental payments? mortgage interest is the rental cost of money, after all..

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RE: The Government needs money, where to get it - 10/4/2013 1:10:42 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		No, none of the above, under what fucking possible outlook weren't they deserved?

And in Minnesota you do get rental deduction. form M-1PR

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RE: The Government needs money, where to get it - 10/4/2013 1:15:02 PM   
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No, none of the above, under what fucking possible outlook weren't they deserved?

imo the only time any portion of mortgage interest should be tax deductible is if the person has a home-based business and they are either generating income or attempting to.. I just happen to believe that if something isn't generating income (or a legit attempt to as a start-up does) that the deductions should not be tax deductible.. that is my personal belief, not something I read on a website somewhere (which I find an insult for you to suggest that)..

eta- well bully for MN.. except that most people live elsewhere..

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RE: The Government needs money, where to get it - 10/4/2013 1:16:41 PM   
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No, I am not going to tutor you. Do your own factfinding. I am not dancing. You quit vermiformously writhing, do you know or not? If you do....(but you don't). . .


Then, I won't ask you any more. I won't enable your offerings to Terpsichore.


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What I support:

  • A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  • Personal Responsibility
  • Help for the truly needy
  • Limited Government
  • Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)

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RE: The Government needs money, where to get it - 10/4/2013 1:17:51 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Well, then taxes should be a steep grade culminating at 99% for the people who earn more than the average.

Look, taxes are necessary, deductions may not be, but if they are not for the individual, then why for the corporations?

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RE: The Government needs money, where to get it - 10/4/2013 1:20:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
No, I am not going to tutor you. Do your own factfinding. I am not dancing. You quit vermiformously writhing, do you know or not? If you do....(but you don't). . .


Then, I won't ask you any more. I won't enable your offerings to Terpsichore.




You do not have the wherewithal nor the fundaments to engage in maieutic forms of conversation with those who are not confused, or feeble-minded.

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