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Yeah, Brea, is that you? Or what invisible sock are you?

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ORIGINAL: girl4man

And calling a group of Americans "teabaggers." That is so insanely offensive - not to mention, rather inappropriately injects BDSM into a political discussion - that anyone that utters it, reveals how fundamentally they revile America - as she was conceived and carried on for 125 years.

I attend tea party events. You don't really join, per se. People just show up. I don't call my self a tea party "member." But I'm a veteran, I attended law school-- at what point do I deserve a non-sexually objectifying description of my sentiments?

Do I have to storm Iwo Jima? Oh, no-- that's right - that qualifies as less than being an illegal alien in the New World.

All who despise America, yet are "Americans," reveal the utter emptiness of their souls, and utter ingratitude for all the bounty they have received. There ought to be a demeaning word for THAT.

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ORIGINAL: papassion
This has nothing to do with a potential shutdown. This is all due to Liberal thinking to give everybody, everything, the hell with the cost!

And yet you ignore the actual reality posted not two posts above yours. After all the rhetoric is done, it is the Democratic party that wants to raise taxes and cut costs and the Republican party which wants to do the opposite.
It's just when I personally want to trim a budget I do not start out with the nickels and dimes. I look at the heavy hitters right up front. And in the US, "heavy hitter" means "military". Conversely, raising taxes on poor people is an idiot's play. If you need more revenue you need to go to the folks who actually have money... that'd be the rich folks.
Is there some part of that very sound fiscal strategy that eludes you? Don't get me wrong, I know and understand the economic war that is being wages against the US. Heck, it's nothing more than we've been doing to other countries for a long time, the only difference being we are on the losing end this time because the Republicans have gutted our economy..

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
between the sequester, the last debt ceiling and various other bills, etc, how much has been cut from spending???

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: girl4man

You're just wrong.

100% wrong.

If we don't raise the debt limit, it just means we don't spend money on everything we wanted to spend it on.

Instead of paying for new construction or maintenance, we forego that, and pay the due debt payments instead.

Households do this all the time. They want a new suit but have no cash. The credit card company won't increase their limit. They also have a credit card bill due on the 1st and instead of buying a new suit, they pay the credit card payment.

The idea that not raising the debt ceiling equates to not paying debt, is an idea which benefits those who want the government to spend more. But it's not accurate.

If you think it's accurate, then simple concepts elude you.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Wrong. No, increase in the debt limit means there will not be sufficient cash on hand to service the debt and do all the other things the country must, by law, pay for as well. Since they cannot do all of those things then, since none are given priority all would receive less than is needed and one missed interest payment means the US defaults on all bonds presently in circulation and that means the collapse of the world economy as interest rates throughout the developed world go through the roof.

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ORIGINAL: girl4man

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Wrong. No, increase in the debt limit means there will not be sufficient cash on hand to service the debt and do all the other things the country must, by law, pay for as well. Since they cannot do all of those things then, since none are given priority all would receive less than is needed and one missed interest payment means the US defaults on all bonds presently in circulation and that means the collapse of the world economy as interest rates throughout the developed world go through the roof.

I assume you are a person of average intelligence. If you will read your paragraph carefully, word by word, you will find at least some of your errors.

One word at a time. Think about that ONE word. After you do that, then go to the next word.

Your third sentence is the most entertainingly in error. We clearly do have priorities.... because 80% plus of government has been up and running regardless.... Not to mention, the House has been setting priorities like mad for a week. Even if the Senate resents priorities, cause they aren't the Senate's priorities. Must have socialized medicine, must have socialized medicine, must have socialized medicine. :)

"defaults" on "all" bonds. You sure about that? You want to rethink that? You think the U.S. government issued "all" bonds on the same date? Do you think they "all" come due on the same date?

"interest rates through the roof" Interest rates now are so low they are impeding investment, as no one finds risk worth a paltry 1% return.

Other big errors here, but you get the drift..... Remember, one word at a time.